Quiver Killers
These stainless steel inserts may actually expand your ski quiver instead of killing it. Properly installed in a ski, they allow you to mount bindings in a removable fashion. Thus, you can have a huge quiver of skis that all use the same binding. Of course, you could also use several bindings on one ski, which may help kill a ski quiver, but just creates a binding quiver. These should be called Quiver Enhancers instead.
To operate a set of QKs, you’ll need to buy one Stainless Insert for each screw hole in your binding. Then make several trips to the hardware store to find metric screws that fit your binding. Alternately, you could buy the pre-packaged fastener kits already known to work with your model (inserts not included). We currently stock kits for Dynafit Superlite, Turn, Radical, Vertical, Comfort, and Beast bindings. We also have kits for other brands include the Plum Guide, Fristchi Vipec, Marker Kingpin, and G3 ION bindings. Each kit comes with the quantity of screws needed to mount a pair of bindings (2 toes and 2 heels). We’re also happy to try and assemble a kit for your needs.
Also available is a Pro Installation Kit that consists of three items: (1) a specially machined drill bit that stops at the proper depth for an insert, (2) a tap to cut a thread into the ski that matches the outer pitch of the inserts, and (3) an installation tool that allows you to screw the inserts in and then back the tool out. You can also buy each item individually, listed as "Step Drill Bit, Bottom Tap, and Installation Tool".
Finally, you can use Vibra-Tite thread locker if you don't plan on swapping bindings often. The 5ml bottles will lock the fasteners into the inserts.
Questions & Reviews
3/21/2024
Do you know if the ATK Raider Fastener kit also works for the Freeraider 15 EVO binding? I assume they share the same screw sizes, but just want to confirm. And, are the screws long enough to accommodate the toe shims, which add extra 2mm thickness to the toes.
3/22/2024
Hi Lang, the Raider kit will not work with the Freeraider due to the added toe shim. Shoot us an email to help@skimo.co and we can see about putting something together for you.
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2/12/2023
Mikey Schaefer
(used product a few times)
I got the fastener kit for Helio 200's and was disappointed to see they were Phillips head. I know this is mentioned in the comments but I didn't really think it through. Phillips really is the worst head design for a screw that is gonna be used over and over. Within 2 binding swaps the screws were already getting rounded out. I went to the hardware store and picked up M5 hex flat head screws (they didn't have Torx) in 10mm and 12mm length. The 12mm length fit fine for the toe pieces but the adjustment plates need a narrow head screw (< 9mm) which doesn't seem to be available in the States. Most of the flat head hex screws have 9.2 to 9.4mm diameter heads on them. To make them work I put the screws in a drill, clamped a file to my bench, and quickly ground down the head to 9mm. Took 5 min.
I also think the fastener kit should come with 1 extra screw of each size so there is a spare to put in the backcountry repair kit. Just a thought...
And one last thing, I think it would be great if Skimo sold drill blocks for those of us that aren't using a drill press. Given how tight the tolerances are with QK's it seems like it would be easy to screw up and a drill block could help prevent that.
I also think the fastener kit should come with 1 extra screw of each size so there is a spare to put in the backcountry repair kit. Just a thought...
And one last thing, I think it would be great if Skimo sold drill blocks for those of us that aren't using a drill press. Given how tight the tolerances are with QK's it seems like it would be easy to screw up and a drill block could help prevent that.
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1/28/2023
Do you know if the fastener kit would be compatible with binding freedom inserts? I have a pair of skis mounted with those, and am wondering if I can use this fastener kit on them.
I think both types of inserts use M5 screws, but I'm unsure how deep each is. Thanks!
I think both types of inserts use M5 screws, but I'm unsure how deep each is. Thanks!
1/28/2023
Hi Niklas, yes these are compatible.
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11/15/2022
Just so you all know the ATK Raider fastener kit does not work with the C-Raider, I wish I had asked first. I think that is worth mentioning in the description. The round top screws worked fine for the toe and heel pieces but the flat ones were too short the head didn't fit into the hole in the plastic binding.
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11/4/2022
Do you have screws that will work with Meidjo 3 bindings? I will be using the AT heel, so I believe I need 16 screws x 2 pairs of skis.
11/4/2022
Hi Michael,
We primarily carry Quiver killer Kits aimed at AT bindings. For Tele specific Quiver Killer kits, I would check out freeheellife.com.
If you want to DIY from your local hardware store, you want M5 machine screws that will have 4-6mm of insert penetration. Make sure that the head shape of the machine screw sits flush in your binding!
We primarily carry Quiver killer Kits aimed at AT bindings. For Tele specific Quiver Killer kits, I would check out freeheellife.com.
If you want to DIY from your local hardware store, you want M5 machine screws that will have 4-6mm of insert penetration. Make sure that the head shape of the machine screw sits flush in your binding!
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11/2/2022
I'd like to install quiver killers on skis that already have my bindings mounted. Is it as simple as unscrewing my bindings and then installing the QK insert back in the same hole? Does the hole have to be machined larger, or will the insert fit the existing hole?
11/2/2022
Hi Pete,
You can use the existing holes in your ski. However, they will need to be enlarged with a different bit to accommodate the stainless steel inserts. I would recommend getting the Pro Installation Kit listed above, as that will give you the items that you need to install the stainless steel inserts outside of the adhesive.
Quiver Killer inserts have a pretty low tolerance for error. If you have doubts about your capacity to install them, I would err on the side of caution and have a shop do it!
You can use the existing holes in your ski. However, they will need to be enlarged with a different bit to accommodate the stainless steel inserts. I would recommend getting the Pro Installation Kit listed above, as that will give you the items that you need to install the stainless steel inserts outside of the adhesive.
Quiver Killer inserts have a pretty low tolerance for error. If you have doubts about your capacity to install them, I would err on the side of caution and have a shop do it!
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10/23/2022
Hi All,
I'm looking to use the QK's on a pair of Hyper Manti's to alternate between BD Helio 10's and Meidjo 3.0's (NTN style tele tech binding). Can the QK's work with 2 different binding's and will the Hyper series from Voile work appropriately with the QK's? I know Voile says tele bindings and QK's void the warranty on any of their hyper series, but didn't care and have been skiing the Medijos on the Hyper Manti for a season. Looking for more flexibility in how I use this ski and the QK's might just be that.
Thanks!
I'm looking to use the QK's on a pair of Hyper Manti's to alternate between BD Helio 10's and Meidjo 3.0's (NTN style tele tech binding). Can the QK's work with 2 different binding's and will the Hyper series from Voile work appropriately with the QK's? I know Voile says tele bindings and QK's void the warranty on any of their hyper series, but didn't care and have been skiing the Medijos on the Hyper Manti for a season. Looking for more flexibility in how I use this ski and the QK's might just be that.
Thanks!
10/24/2022
Thanks for reaching out, Dylan. So long as you find the machine screw that has an appropriate head/depth, QK's should work with any binding. You could install QK's with the Hyper, however, as you noted you will void the warranty. While we will defer to the manufacturer regarding compatibility with a particular product, please let us know if you try the combination and how it works out!
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5/16/2022
Hi Pros,
I am about to order a package of QK for Dynafit Radical St/Ft 2.0 kit (14.95$) and would like to see if i need to add anything (tools) else to install my bindings?
Besr regards
I am about to order a package of QK for Dynafit Radical St/Ft 2.0 kit (14.95$) and would like to see if i need to add anything (tools) else to install my bindings?
Besr regards
5/16/2022
Hi Calvin, besides your screw kit, you will also want inserts--one per hole--as well as quiver killer specific tools (step drill bit, bottom tap and installation tool).
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5/5/2022
Hi. do you sell a screw kit for marker alpinist? would this be the same as atomic backland? thank you
5/5/2022
Hey Max, Skimo does not have the Alpinist Kit. I checked the screw lengths, and there are some odd size ones that we do not have. QK does have the kit on their site. It is not close to the Atomic Backland screws.
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2/14/2022
Hello, what are the inner and outer thread sizes of the stainless inserts? Thanks
2/15/2022
Thanks for your question, Tom. The outer diameter is ~7.8mm/coarse while the inner diameter is ~5mm/fine. An M5/fine screw is to be used with the insert.
3/8/2022
It's M5 x 0.8mm, which is the standard thread pitch
1/30/2023
The outer is 5/16-18. The inner is as noted 5mm x 0.8mm
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12/5/2021
Do you have a quiver killer kit for the CAST freetour? Look pivot 15/18 with the additional brake screws.
12/6/2021
Hey Nate, unfortunately we won't have the screws needed for the CAST free tour kit. I would check with CAST to see what size screws they suggest. Let us know if you have any more questions!
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I have these in all of my skis and I think they are great. Very easy to swap bindings between skis which saves a lot of $$. Also allows easy use of a spare heel or toe in the field (provided of course the spare has the same hole pattern).
I use a drill press for cutting the holes and guiding the tap and have not had any trouble installing dozens of them. I use either 5 or 15 minute epoxy with the 15 min being easier to work with.
Given their price ($16 per ski) I extract them before throwing away old skis. I use a heat gun to soften the epoxy then a double nutted screw to back them out. They are easy to clean and re-use.
I use a drill press for cutting the holes and guiding the tap and have not had any trouble installing dozens of them. I use either 5 or 15 minute epoxy with the 15 min being easier to work with.
Given their price ($16 per ski) I extract them before throwing away old skis. I use a heat gun to soften the epoxy then a double nutted screw to back them out. They are easy to clean and re-use.
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1/15/2021
Hi,
I'm looking to get a set for Dynafit TLT Speed Radical. Do the screws in fastener kit all have the same length? Are they countersunk head screws? Thank you
I'm looking to get a set for Dynafit TLT Speed Radical. Do the screws in fastener kit all have the same length? Are they countersunk head screws? Thank you
1/15/2021
Hi Mengnan, the toe and heel screws are different on the Speed Radical, heels are pan heads.
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1/14/2021
Could you please offer some guidance on whether I should avoid using QK's on La Sportiva Vapor Svelte skis?
1/14/2021
Hi Kirk, those skis are too thin to support the QK inserts. They call for shallow drill bits that are typically used for junior skis.
1/14/2021
Perfect, v good to know. Thanks heaps for the fast reply.
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12/29/2020
Hi, could you please specify exactly what kind of bolts comes in the Dynafit Speed Radical Fastener Kit and also in
the Dynafit Radical ST/FT Fastener Kit? I’d like to know the exact type, diameter and lengths of the bolts in these kits. Thank you!
the Dynafit Radical ST/FT Fastener Kit? I’d like to know the exact type, diameter and lengths of the bolts in these kits. Thank you!
12/29/2020
Hi Fedor, they are M5s with Phillips or Torx heads.
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9/12/2020
Given the slight curvature of the top surface of the Dynafit TLT Expedition heels, is there an appreciable structural weakness in the binding system when the expedition heel is attached into the inserts provided on your site? The base of the heel sits flat on any top sheet and all the manufacturer provided mounting screws have the same countersunk head for both toe and heel pieces. Would the right size countersunk machine screws provide relatively the same degree of retention when quiver killed in a ski as the factory provided mounting screws?
9/12/2020
Hi Robert, there is not a retention issue if the QKs are mounted straight. However, if you screwed your Expedition heel into perfectly vertical QKs it will put localized stress on the angled base, raising the possibility of cracking it. If you mount the heels while the QK epoxy is setting, forcing them off vertical, it would reduce this stress while possibly reducing pull-out strength and contaminating the threads with epoxy. It's likely to be OK, just not something we would recommend.
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1/29/2020
Are you still selling the "Pro Installation Kit"? Not seeing it listed in the drop down currently. Thanks!
1/29/2020
Hey Jack! We're currently out of stock of a couple pieces of the installation kit -- should pop back up on here as soon as we get a resupply!
1/29/2020
Thanks for the quick reply. Any way to setup a notification on the restock or do you possibly have an ETA?
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1/19/2020
Do you have screws that would work with Ski Trab Titan Vario toes? I couldn't find any with small enough heads at the hardware store. Thanks!
1/25/2020
Hey Lane, that's understandable you couldn't find stock hardware store screws that fit! We are typically using 14mm Torx head screws and shaving them down. If you'd like us to put together a Quiver Killer screw set for your bindings, feel free to reach out to us by email and we can put an order together!
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12/26/2019
do you guys have any info about installing inserts on voile hyper series skis? i see that it voids the warranty and have read on some forums that the hyper series might have specific issues with inserts--curious if you know anything about this and if you'd advise against using inserts on voile hyper series skis.
12/26/2019
Emily, I do not know why Voile doesn't recommend QK in their skis.
12/28/2019
Hey Emily, my perception is that the prohibition on inserts in the Hyper series has more to do with what "could" happen than what "will" happen. If the metal insert sleeve was too deep for the thickness of the ski (which may be more of an issue with Binding Freedom-branded inserts that are 0.5mm taller than the Quiver Killer inserts) you may run into issues with tapping the holes and creating deformities in the core, or even the base of the ski. Personally, I've been using QK inserts in my Hyper V8s for a season-plus now and haven't had even a shadow of an issue with them. If anything, they seem to provide an extra level of security in a non-metal-reinforced mounting plate! That said, the thickness of the V8 mounting position may vary compared with the other skis in the line.
1/1/2020
ah ha... thanks. that is super helpful. the skis i was thinking about QK'ing are hyper V8s and hyper vectors so it seems like that should work in theory..
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12/11/2019
Now that I finally got light tech boots - Looking to upgrade my rusty (not so rusty actually), trusty Marker F10 bindings for either the Hagan Pure or Dynafit ST Rotation bindings (that is the advice I got from you guys). I have a pair of fat Atomic skis and a pair of super light Movement skis. The Atomics have an old pair of Alpine bindings and the Movements have the F10 bindings. Would be great if I could use both these skis with my shiny new bindings depending on what Im doing. I will probably have to redrill both skis to mount the tech bindings so it would seem to make sense to mount these when I do.
Question 1 - does this sound like a good option?
Question 2 - do you have kits for the Hagan Pure and Dynafit ST Rotations?
Have to be frugal to feed my ski habit and get the most out of my gear!
Thanks so much.
J
Question 1 - does this sound like a good option?
Question 2 - do you have kits for the Hagan Pure and Dynafit ST Rotations?
Have to be frugal to feed my ski habit and get the most out of my gear!
Thanks so much.
J
12/11/2019
Hey Joelle! Thanks for reaching out. Quiver Killers are a great option if you are working with limited funds but want to get the most out of your kit! We don't have fastener kits for either of the bindings you've mentioned, but could put together a collection of screws for you that would work with whichever you choose. Reach out to help@skimo.co for a more in-depth conversation!
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