Hope that all is well. Question - Would the Plumb Guide work with Voile V8 186Cm / 115 underfoot ?
Tony
Plum Guide 12 Binding
Take a proven design, add higher release values and more adjustability, and you get the Plum Guide binding. Crafted in France with extremely accurate CNC machines, the binding echoes the classic TLT Speed that has proven itself reliable for more than a decade. However by using aerospace grade materials, Plum was able to increase the overall strength and dial up the max release value to 12. And with 30mm of boot sole length adjustability, the Guide can adapt to roughly 4 full sizes, making for very flexible mounts. If you're looking for a sturdy, lightweight binding with simple operation, Plum may have found the answer.
- Machined with aerospace grade aluminum, steel, and polyvinyl to achieve tangible strength and rigidity.
- Lateral and vertical (forward) release values can be adjusted between a range of 5.5 and 12 (similar to DIN values).
- Two riser heights (in addtion to flat) can be engaged by rotating the heel piece with either hand or a pole.
- Heel adjusts forward and backward within a 30mm range so the same mount can accommodate 4-5 full boot sizes.
- Front lever flips between fully-locked uphill and releasable ski modes, with a handy inscription so you know which mode you're in.
- Toe piece features a ski crampon receptor so you can get extra traction while skinning snow ice.
- Same mounting pattern as the Dynafit Speed, Comfort, and Vertical series so you may be able to use existing drill holes.
Update 17/18: Plum added a new orange color. Brake widths changed to 85mm, 95mm, 105mm, 115mm, or 135mm. The brakes have a locking mechanism designed to prevent deploying when skinning uphill. Also Plum is now making ski crampons which can be dropped into the top of the receptor instead of slid in from the side like the others. Binding remains solid.
Update 19/20: Plum is now offering this solid binding covered in a slick coat of black paint...err, anodization.
Update 20/21: Plum machined a little more off the toe piece to shave 10g and refined the heel a bit.
| Specifications | |
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Weight |
341g |
| Weight (pair) | 682g |
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Boot |
Tech |
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Brakes |
Optional leashes |
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BSL |
30mm |
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Riser |
2 + flat |
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Vertical |
5.5-12 |
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Lateral |
5.5-12 |
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Crampon |
Yes |
| Specs Verified | Yes |
| Design | |
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Aluminum, steel, polyvinyl |
| Skimo Co Says | |
| Usage | Everyday touring |
| Notes | Classic rotational heel piece with release values up to 12 |
| Bottom Line | Impressive strength for the weight |
| Compare to other Lean Bindings | |
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4/25/2017
4/25/2017
Hi Tony, yeah no problem. You could go brakeless or likely fit the 110mm brakes on it.
4/26/2017
Thank you the quick respone. Awesome . The V8 is fairly light for its size, just wanted to make sure that the Guide would be able to drive it . I'm not a "charger" ski style wise. Just lots of touring backcountry and sidecountry stuff. Sounds like the Guide/ V8 would be a great combo.
4/26/2017
One additional ? I have a Jigarex mounting jig. Jigarex offers a couple of mounting plates for 1 or 2 Plum bindings. However , they dont list a hole pattern plate for the Guide specifically. Are Plum hole patterns all the same across their models?
4/26/2017
Hi Anthony, the hole patterns vary per model. See our list of hole patterns for more info.
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3/27/2017
On the Plum Guides with 90mm brake:
1. OK with 83mm waist skis?
2. I will have to mount myself or local ski shop. What about templates and mounting specs?
3. Will they work with my Dynafit TLT 4 Pro's? Currently using Dynafit Comfort binding.
4. Any issues to consider with a more 'modern' boot like the Arcteryx Procline?
Thanks...GREG
1. OK with 83mm waist skis?
2. I will have to mount myself or local ski shop. What about templates and mounting specs?
3. Will they work with my Dynafit TLT 4 Pro's? Currently using Dynafit Comfort binding.
4. Any issues to consider with a more 'modern' boot like the Arcteryx Procline?
Thanks...GREG
3/28/2017
Hi Greg,
1. The 90mm brakes will work fine on those skis.
2. We have paper templates available.
3. Yes, these will work with just about any boot with standard tech fittings.
4. No problem there either!
1. The 90mm brakes will work fine on those skis.
2. We have paper templates available.
3. Yes, these will work with just about any boot with standard tech fittings.
4. No problem there either!
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3/16/2017
My skis are 87mm underfoot so the 90mm brake would be fine, but if I change my skis in the next few seasons for something wider can I just replace the brake, or do I need to get an entire new heel unit.
3/16/2017
Hi Mark, the brakes are integrated into the base plate, so you'd need a whole base+brake which cost around half of a heel unit.
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3/15/2017
I have an older pair of Guides (silver toe wings, year?) Do these bindings utilize the same hole pattern?
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3/15/2017
Hi Mike, yes the hole pattern hasn't changed since that version.
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12/2/2016
Hi there,
Can you tell me if Plum Guide bindings have the same screw mounting pattern as dynafits? I have Dynafit Stoke skis with preset screw placement - wondering if Plums will match.
Thanks,
Richard
Can you tell me if Plum Guide bindings have the same screw mounting pattern as dynafits? I have Dynafit Stoke skis with preset screw placement - wondering if Plums will match.
Thanks,
Richard
12/2/2016
Hey Richard, each brand has its own proprietary hole pattern and they generally don't like to share. We have a Hole Pattern Recognition article where you can see the hole pattern compatibility if you have any further questions.
12/2/2016
Hi Richard, the Plum heels match Dynafits, no problem there. The toe patter uses the old Dynafit Vertical pattern, minus the front-most hole. You're likely in luck with that combo.
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12/1/2016
Will this plum work OK with the rocker sole of LA Sportive Sceptre v1 ( black ones). Will brakes work with this boot or should I go with brak-less version?
Thanks
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12/1/2016
Hi Skier6, the Spectres work OK. You may need to remove a bit of sole material right near the toe wings to help it lay in flat-on-ski mode, but that is not unusual with various tech bindings and AT boot combos. Brakes work fine but you should still go with the brakeless version :)
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Used on Movement Vertex, got the ones with brakes. I have brakes on none of my other skis, but wanted one pair with them, also because I like the higher heel plug for an all-around ski. Skied for a few days at Snowbird, so have not really worked this in the BC as yet. My first impression is that Plum has a very refined design - the bindings are easier to get into than most dynafit-type ones I've used or own. The brake locks in the up position (so it's out of the way when touring), which is also handy for waxing or other times when you want them out of the way. It does not appear they can easily be removed, so be sure you want brakes if you get them with them. I had no play or pre-releasing, and use a modest DIN setting, but obviously this requires more time to confirm. This is a very carefully and well made item - even the crampon attachment is a step up from the normal dynafit type, dropping in from above as opposed to sliding in from the side. More to come with more use.
5/26/2017
Updated. I've had plate movement twice, likely due to the 2 screw adjustment plate. Brian at skimolife is a better source of details. https://www.instagram.com/brian.skimolife. Admittedly it slipped after late season skiing on Crouches berard but I didn't do as much stream and turf skiing as the locals who passed me. Even after tightening that morning they slipped in shrubbery terrain. Will likely locktite a bit next year. Also a great reason to bring a posi multi tool and bits along.
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2/15/2016
Hi JBO,
thank you for your ongoing advice about the right bindings for the Big Fish X. I understand the Plum Guide binding has lateral and vertical release, whereas the Superfit 2.0 only has a lateral release. I am not exactly sure what the difference is and whether there is a safety implication for only having lateral release. What is the additional risk, considering I am only a moderately good skier?
Also I see the Superlight 2.0 only has two riser heights (to 47mm) and no "flat" option. Does it definitely not have a flat option - seems odd? The Plum Guide on the other hand top riser is 87mm, presumably better on steep slopes? As a moderate skier would perhaps the Plum Guide be better for me?
For information, I am looking to buy the Big Fish X skis and bindings to race in the PdG in April (but also use recreationally afterwards). As a moderate skier (from England) I am expecting to complete in a time of 14 hours. I wonder if that has any effect on your recommendation.
thank you for your ongoing advice about the right bindings for the Big Fish X. I understand the Plum Guide binding has lateral and vertical release, whereas the Superfit 2.0 only has a lateral release. I am not exactly sure what the difference is and whether there is a safety implication for only having lateral release. What is the additional risk, considering I am only a moderately good skier?
Also I see the Superlight 2.0 only has two riser heights (to 47mm) and no "flat" option. Does it definitely not have a flat option - seems odd? The Plum Guide on the other hand top riser is 87mm, presumably better on steep slopes? As a moderate skier would perhaps the Plum Guide be better for me?
For information, I am looking to buy the Big Fish X skis and bindings to race in the PdG in April (but also use recreationally afterwards). As a moderate skier (from England) I am expecting to complete in a time of 14 hours. I wonder if that has any effect on your recommendation.
2/15/2016
Hi Joss, the Superlite 2.0 has a forward release, it's just not adjustable, meaning it may or may not be appropriate for your height, weight, age, boot sole length, and skier type. You can turn the heel sideways for a flat more which seems to work reasonably well, but there is no detent so the heel piece may bet accidentally turned into ski mode if it gets hit by your boot.
The highest risers can be a bit more efficient on some slopes, but lighter the better for a 14 hour race!
The highest risers can be a bit more efficient on some slopes, but lighter the better for a 14 hour race!
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2/14/2016
Hi JBO,
you kindly answered my further question about the compatibility of the Movement Big Fish X/Plum Guide and the Kreutspitze 75mm binding, and recommended the Superlight 2.0 binding. Sadly it is a little too expensive for me once I have bought the base plate (which I would want) and the brake. On that basis what do you think is the best/most compatible brake to go with my Big Fish X and plum guide binding? Thank you Joss
you kindly answered my further question about the compatibility of the Movement Big Fish X/Plum Guide and the Kreutspitze 75mm binding, and recommended the Superlight 2.0 binding. Sadly it is a little too expensive for me once I have bought the base plate (which I would want) and the brake. On that basis what do you think is the best/most compatible brake to go with my Big Fish X and plum guide binding? Thank you Joss
2/14/2016
Hi Joss, in that case I would just get the Plum Guide with the integrated 90mm brake.
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2/13/2016
JBO,
you kindly answered my question about the compatibility of the Movement Big Fish X/Plum Guide and the Kreutspitze 75mm binding. You suggested the Dynafit Superlight 2.0 as a more suitable alternative. If that is also 75mm will I not have the same problem with the Big Fish being 77mm at the waist? Also I am struggling to see how the superlight 2.0 attaches to the Plum Guide binding. Can you advise please? . Let me know as I am keen to buy it if it will definitely work
Many thanks for your help
Joss
you kindly answered my question about the compatibility of the Movement Big Fish X/Plum Guide and the Kreutspitze 75mm binding. You suggested the Dynafit Superlight 2.0 as a more suitable alternative. If that is also 75mm will I not have the same problem with the Big Fish being 77mm at the waist? Also I am struggling to see how the superlight 2.0 attaches to the Plum Guide binding. Can you advise please? . Let me know as I am keen to buy it if it will definitely work
Many thanks for your help
Joss
2/13/2016
Hi Joss, Dynafit makes their brakes a bit wider than advertised; I tested one on the big fish and it works. The brakes are not compatible with the Plum Guide, I was suggesting the Superlite 2.0 as a good binding for that ski.
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2/11/2016
I am looking to buy Movement Big Fish X skis and Plum Guide M binding. The Big Fish has a waist of 77mm. Can I get the 75mm Kreutspitze brake or do I have to get the 90? I'd prefer a narrower brake but will 75 be too narrow for that ski. I have Scarpa Alien boots. Does anyone foresee any set up issues here?
2/11/2016
Hi Joss, the K brakes don't have a lot of wiggle room outside their stated spec. You can bend them but that's not ideal. Note the Superlite 2.0 75mm brakes fit well on that ski.
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1/22/2016
Can I get the 130mm brake solo?
1/22/2016
Hi Heather, unfortunately the brakes are only sold integrated with the binding.
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12/18/2015
How is durability on the current version of the Plum Guides.? I had an older generation that developed slop in the heel pins; I got rid of them after this problem repeated it self a couple of times despite being repaired. I also heard this generation had problems with the toe wings but I did not have that issue. My current pair is two years old with the black toe wings and have been going strong; should I expect any issues with them?
I am thinking of getting another pair; they now have integrated heel brakes from what I hear. Can I get the still get the Guides without the brakes? I don't use brakes on my tech setups.
What is the ski crampon compatibility with the guides? My Dynafit brand ski crampons work with the my Guides, but don't fit as smoothly in the ski crampon slot on my Guides as on my Vert St's; the Guides tolerances seem much tighter in this regard. Are the Plum ski crampons a better fit than the Dynafit crampons for the Guides?
I am thinking of getting another pair; they now have integrated heel brakes from what I hear. Can I get the still get the Guides without the brakes? I don't use brakes on my tech setups.
What is the ski crampon compatibility with the guides? My Dynafit brand ski crampons work with the my Guides, but don't fit as smoothly in the ski crampon slot on my Guides as on my Vert St's; the Guides tolerances seem much tighter in this regard. Are the Plum ski crampons a better fit than the Dynafit crampons for the Guides?
12/18/2015
Hi Harpo, we haven't seen any slop in recent years; Plum would be able to tell your generation with your serial number. Yes the Guide is still available without brakes. The Plum crampons work more easily in the Guide than the Dynafits, since you can just drop them in the top instead of sliding them in from the side.
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So I bought the Guide with brakes for my Movement Shifts. Several important points: (1) boots with rocker like my TLT6s will not work well with the binding + front brake. The pedal behind the pins that retracts the brake is too high; it will, at rest, keep the boot heel almost at the 2nd heel height, well above the pins and the ski. Following the manual, I removed the shiny plate from the pedal and that brought the boot heel down almost to the height of the pins, better but not enough. (2) The pedal will act as a fulcrum and pop the boot out of the pins when depressed to set the brake. (3) Adding the "stomp plate"/heel rest practically solves these problems for the TLT 6, but frequently the brake fails to fully retract on one of my skis; but paying attention and giving the brake a lift with a finger or putting the toe latch into walk mode with retract and lock the brake in place with the arms folded in over the ski. (4) the heel rest is a miracle. I broke trail today in 17 inches of new powder and never had to clear snow from beneath my heel :-) In this kind of snow with my Dynafits I would have had to repeated chip away at ice blocks forming under my heels. (5) The brake raise the toe piece resulting in little delta between the heel and toe; I like this; together with the heel rest, snow build up seems to be remedied. (6) I really like the rear binding--it is reminiscent of the Dynafit Comort and Vertical but seems to work much better; I did have an unwanted rotation or two into heel lock down. So buyer beware: you may have to fiddle with the brakes and heel rest to find a comfortable fit for your particular boot; the heel rest, IMHO, is mandatory; you may have to fiddle a little extra during transitions to ensure the front brake is fully retracted and locked in place.
12/11/2015
Thanks for the review Andrew. It sounds like boot compatibility was a reason Plum switched to rear brakes for this season.
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12/3/2015
Does the 682 g weight listed here include the brakes? If not, how much does a pair of the 100 mm brakes weigh?
12/3/2015
Hi Ann, I just posted the verified weight for the version with brakes. They are 930g for a pair of 90mm, and maybe a couple grams more for the 100s.
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9/22/2015
I have one of the original plum guide bindings (first year or two). Can I add brakes that are rear facing? I heard they are coming out with them. I don't want the forward facing brake. One of your pictures has them but it looks integrated into the heal rather than an add on. What are my options? Thanks
9/22/2015
Hi Michael, unfortunately the brakes are integrated into the new heel and not an add-on. Your options are front brakes or a universal brake from Kreuzspitze or ATK.
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8/22/2015
Thanks for the reply JBO.
I think i'm gonna just go with the Dynafit toes though with B&D shims. Even if Plum has refined their toes, it's hard to beat the Dynafit speed rad toe. It seems really strange to me that Dynafit doesn't have a really simple yet robust heel like the Plum heel. I just cant bring myself to like or trust the radical flippy heels.
Or conversely if Plum put out a truly bombproof toe.
Does forging the parts vs. CNC machining have a big effect on durability? Or is it just the fact the Dynafit toe is mostly steel and the Plum mostly aluminum. Or is it a wash?
There seems to be alot of misinformation and marketing hoopla clouding this issue; any insights would be appreciated.
Thx, El Blobo
I think i'm gonna just go with the Dynafit toes though with B&D shims. Even if Plum has refined their toes, it's hard to beat the Dynafit speed rad toe. It seems really strange to me that Dynafit doesn't have a really simple yet robust heel like the Plum heel. I just cant bring myself to like or trust the radical flippy heels.
Or conversely if Plum put out a truly bombproof toe.
Does forging the parts vs. CNC machining have a big effect on durability? Or is it just the fact the Dynafit toe is mostly steel and the Plum mostly aluminum. Or is it a wash?
There seems to be alot of misinformation and marketing hoopla clouding this issue; any insights would be appreciated.
Thx, El Blobo
8/22/2015
Señor Blobo, it's hard to infer failure rates knowing only the basic construction process or materials involved. All can fail and/or be manufactured with durability in mind. I will point out the Guide toes are materially lighter than the Radical toes. The latter are 33 grams / 1.2 ounces / 30% heavier. With that in mind, it's impressive that Plum has achieved comparable durability. They say they haven't seen a wing failure since making a change in March 2013.
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8/19/2015
Hey everybody,
So last year i was gonna buy the Plum Guide for my new voile's but shyed away due to the toe wing breakages a few years ago. Ended up getting the Frankentech setup of Dynafit speed radical toes and Plum heels. This setup has worked out fine but it would just be simpler to buy the whole binding. I've got a couple new skis this fall in the mix so i'm revisiting the idea. So honestly, how have the toepieces on the Plum Guides been holding up?
So last year i was gonna buy the Plum Guide for my new voile's but shyed away due to the toe wing breakages a few years ago. Ended up getting the Frankentech setup of Dynafit speed radical toes and Plum heels. This setup has worked out fine but it would just be simpler to buy the whole binding. I've got a couple new skis this fall in the mix so i'm revisiting the idea. So honestly, how have the toepieces on the Plum Guides been holding up?
8/21/2015
Hi blob, I'll give my 2 cents. The wing breakages seem to be a thing of the past, I haven't seen nor heard of one with a recent model. I did see one with a pin that fell out, but I can't be sure when it was produced. It looked fairly beat.
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2/2/2015
Can you explain why the Plum web site shows sizes on their bindings (XS, S, M, L)? I don't understand this. They even show it on the separate toe and heal pieces. Maybe you have some insight
2/2/2015
Hi Andrew, the odd sizes are slight variations in design. The M is the standard version listed here. The S is missing the high riser position, making it slightly lighter. The XS has different springs making it suitable for lighter folks. I'm not aware of an L.
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12/20/2014
Do you have replacement arms for the toe piece for the plum guide? Those keep breaking on me, and I'm looking to stock up on replacements.
12/20/2014
Hi Patrick, those are not something replaceable except at the factory. Good news is they seem to have fixed the breaking problem. You can get the current model toes here.
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