I just got a pair of Fischer My Travers size 24.5 ski boots. I took them out today using my old skis with old Dynafit TLT Vertical ST bindings. The forward lean was extremely uncomfortable. My question is: I will ultimately be using these boots with my new Atomic Backland bindings and I was wondering if I will need a shim under the toe to reduce this forward lean or do you think this binding will have enough of ramp angle backwards (compared to the Vertical ST) to reduce the lean? Do you even have a shim that will fit on the Backland? I will also try compacting the thick Intuition liners in the calf area to help.
Thanks,
Linda
B&D Shims
Getting the right ramp angle on your bindings can make the difference between skiing on-point or in the backseat with tired quads. B&D makes shims for almost every occasion. Choose a shim based on your binding and desired pin height delta, which can take some experimentation. Shorter boot sole lengths are more affected by delta because they end up with a higher ramp angle, thus look for thicker shims. Shorter skis also may benefit from thicker shims. For long skis and long feet, go thin to win. Some folks who shim their toes also increase the height of their heel risers to compensate. Do this with B&D Nubbins.
►ORDERING NOTE: All shims are sold in PAIRS, while the screws are priced INDIVIDUALLY.
Classic Shims x2 - Drilled to match both Classic and Radical hole patterns.
Classic Extensions x2 - Also known as “tips & tails,” these allow the Classic shims to be used with Comfort, Vertical ST, and Vertical FT bindings. They interlock with the Classic shims.
Radical 1.0 Shims x2 - Pair well with Dynafit Radical ST and FT bindings.
Rotation Shims x2 - Compatible with both Rotation and Radical ST 2.0 bindings.
Radical FT 2.0 Shims x2 - Yep, these work with Radical FT 2.0 bindings.
G3 ION Shims x2 - Compatible with G3 ION bindings. RIP.
Xenic Shims x2 - Made for the Fritschi Xenic bindings. Your quads will say thank you.
Vipec / Tecton Shims x2 - Compatible with Vipec and Tecton bindings. Please note some shims will come undrilled.
Kingpin Shims x2 - Works for Marker Kingpin, Alpinist, and Cruise bindings.
ATK Raider Shims x2 - Works with ATK Raider 10/12 and Freeraider 14/16 bindings. Not compatible with C-Raider or newer Raider Evo models.
ATK C-Raider Shims x2 - Purpose made for C-Raider bindings and their longer striker plate.
ATK Raider Universal Shims x2 - Shims that pair with older Raider models. Please note these are not compatible with Raider Evo or C-Raider models.
ATK Modern x2 - Shims that pair with Raider Evo, RT Evo (>24/25), Haute Route Plus (>24/25), Crest (>24/25), and Raider SL models.
Backland / MTN Shims x2 - Perfect for your Atomic Backland, Salomon MTN bindings, or Armada Tracer Tour bindings.
18mm Pozi Screw - If you add some shims, you're going to need longer screws. These are alpine screws with a large head that works well with Plum bindings.
19mm Torx Screw - These are good for shimming lots of toes with 6.4mm shims. Small Torx head works especially well with Dynafit bindings. Find the screws here.
21.5mm Pozi Screw - Another alpine-style, large-head screw that works best with G3 ION and Plum models.
23.5mm Pozi Screw - Perfect for 4.7mm shims under Radical 1.0 & Vertical toes that already have baseplates. Medium size head.
28mm Pozi Screw - These are for raising the Radical ST or Vertical ST toes past 4.7mm, amongst other uses. Watch your depth, you may need to grind 'em down.
Metric conversions: 3.2mm = 1/8". 4.7mm = 3/16". 6.4mm = 1/4"
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12/28/2017
12/28/2017
Hi Linda, there is much less ramp in the Backland (details here). You should be fine without a shim. B&D has not yet made one specific to the Backland either.
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12/15/2017
I am buying the BD Classic 6.4MM for my Plumes. They are currently mounted on my BD Judge. Is the screw size that comes in package enough? Just want to make sure... Thanks.
12/15/2017
Hi Gem, the shims do not come with screws since every situation is different. In this case you'll need screws around 21mm. Note you can also shim the the Plum Guides with rental toe plates that are thicker and add some function.
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12/11/2017
Hi there, I'm looking at purchasing a 6.4mm shim to put under a Dynafit Speed Radical binding toe piece that's currently mounted on quiver killer inserts. Can you tell me what screws I would need in order to make this happen? Thanks!
Eric
Eric
12/11/2017
Hey Eric, thanks for reaching out! That'd be a 16mm Flat Head screw with an M5 thread! Let me know if you'd like to proceed and I can probably get you set up with an order!
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11/13/2017
Will the classic shim work with the Fritschi Evo toe? Is an extension required?
11/13/2017
Hi Duretteski, unfortunately the classic shim doesn't work with the Vipec. Rumor has it there is a Vipec shim coming available though.
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10/6/2017
Hello,
I have a pair of Plum Guide bindings with a Scarpa 27.5 Maestral boots. I want a neutral (flat) or nearly neutral (flat) ramp angel.
Here are my questions:
1. Will the 6.4mm Classic shim get me a neutral (flat) ramp angle (with 19mm screws)? If not, what should I stack on top of it?
2. What screw should I order if I stack on top of the 6.4mm?
3. Will the crampons work with a Classic 6.4mm shim? Will they work if I need to stack higher?
Thanks very much! I can't believe it me took this long to figure out why I disliked skiing my AT set-up vs my on area set-up.
Cheers,
Jon
I have a pair of Plum Guide bindings with a Scarpa 27.5 Maestral boots. I want a neutral (flat) or nearly neutral (flat) ramp angel.
Here are my questions:
1. Will the 6.4mm Classic shim get me a neutral (flat) ramp angle (with 19mm screws)? If not, what should I stack on top of it?
2. What screw should I order if I stack on top of the 6.4mm?
3. Will the crampons work with a Classic 6.4mm shim? Will they work if I need to stack higher?
Thanks very much! I can't believe it me took this long to figure out why I disliked skiing my AT set-up vs my on area set-up.
Cheers,
Jon
10/6/2017
Hi Jon,
The 6.4mm Classic shims will get you closer but not quite flat. You'll certainly feel the difference. You'll need 21.5mm screws for those. We generally advise against stacking multiple plates on top of each other. You could order the Plum Guide Rental toe plate to get even closer as they are 9.5mm thick. Crampons work with the shims, and would also work if you're adjusted near the rear of the rental plates.
The 6.4mm Classic shims will get you closer but not quite flat. You'll certainly feel the difference. You'll need 21.5mm screws for those. We generally advise against stacking multiple plates on top of each other. You could order the Plum Guide Rental toe plate to get even closer as they are 9.5mm thick. Crampons work with the shims, and would also work if you're adjusted near the rear of the rental plates.
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3/14/2017
I bought some 6.4mm shims for Dynafit Radical ST 2.0s, which I currently have mounted with Binding Freedom inserts. Any ideas for where to get longer screws for those? Doesn't look like BF makes 20mm Pozi Smallhead screws, which is what I would need (I think) if I bought from them.
3/14/2017
Hey Toddball, any 20mm x M5 machine screw should do, though you will have to shrink the head of the screw in order to make this work (that is the reason the cost of the Radical 2.0 fastener kits are more expensive). I do have a few 20mm flat head Torx screws that I can sell you but it would still involve shrinking the diameter of the heads. Let me know what works for you, I can get that organized if you'd like.
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3/8/2017
can you please advise which shim to lift a speed turn 2.0 toe up, and which screws? mounting to a Hannibal 94. I'm thinking 4.7mm "classic" is the one i want. what size screws do I need to accommodate for the additional ~5mm of shim? do the screws need to be filed down?
3/8/2017
Hi Rich, yes you need the Classic shims. The thickness can be a personal preference, but easiest is the 6.4mm which uses the 19mm screws as is. Otherwise you need to shorten some screws.
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2/28/2017
Do you have any shims that fit G3 IONs? Since the screw pattern is different from Dynafit bindings, I assume those shims won't work. Would it be possible to drill extra holes in the B&D Radical Shims to fit the ION screws? If so, which model will be best?
3/1/2017
Hi Cim,
The official answer is no, we do not have any shims for the G3 Ion.
I did take the time to size up some of the B&D shims to see if your idea of drilling extra holes would work. It appears that the Radical FT/ST shim could work, but I can't say for how long as it is not intended to be used with that binding. Drilling extra holes in the shim may cause it to crack or fail in some other manner. If you decide to try it, keep in mind that you'll need to replace the screws with longer ones as well.
The official answer is no, we do not have any shims for the G3 Ion.
I did take the time to size up some of the B&D shims to see if your idea of drilling extra holes would work. It appears that the Radical FT/ST shim could work, but I can't say for how long as it is not intended to be used with that binding. Drilling extra holes in the shim may cause it to crack or fail in some other manner. If you decide to try it, keep in mind that you'll need to replace the screws with longer ones as well.
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2/11/2017
What size screws would I need to use the 3.2 mm classic shim on some Speed Radiacals?
Thanks,
Bob
Thanks,
Bob
2/11/2017
Hi Bob, depends on your ski of course, but likely around 16mm.
2/11/2017
Hmm. Hard to find a 16mm. I suppose I could grind the 19mm's down. Maybe I'll try the 4.7mm shims. Then there will be less to shorten.
What size are the stock screws on the Speed Rad toes? I'd measure some but I'm not sure how they are measured.
What size are the stock screws on the Speed Rad toes? I'd measure some but I'm not sure how they are measured.
2/13/2017
Hi Robert, they are ~12.5mm. Flat heads are measured full length, end to end. The 6.4s would likely obviate shortening.
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2/11/2017
Hi, I have been skiing some of the tlt comforts for about 10 years and just bought a pair of speed radicals to go on some new skis. I have loved my old dynafits so I'm looking for whichever shim will feel the same as my old comforts. I have a 25 shell which means more ramp but my current Dynafits are unmodified and I have been happy with them. I don't really plan on using these skins inbounds because of the lack of break and have other skis for in bounds riding
2/11/2017
Hi Dan, you could measure your pins and compare them with these to calculate the difference. Otherwise, just get the 6.4s!
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1/20/2017
19mm screws for the Radical ST 2.0 3mm shim?
1/20/2017
Hi Bill, yes that would be a good option.
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1/9/2017
Are all toes shims sold in pairs?
1/9/2017
Hey Seth. Yeah, they are sold in pairs. What are you looking for though? I have a single Classic 4.7mm shim sitting by my desk and if it's what you need I'd be happy to sell it to you individually.
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1/7/2017
I'm going to get the Radical FT 2.0 4.7mm toe shim. What length screw do I need? And do I couple this shim with the baseplate that comes with the binding? I'm assuming that nubbins fit Radical 2.0, yes? Thanks!
1/7/2017
Hi Seth, it depends on your ski, but probably around 19-20mm. Yes, the shims get mounted under the stock plate and the Nubbins work with the 2.0 version.
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12/31/2016
I have dynafit speed turn bindings and want to get a ramp angle as close to zero as I can. What setup of shim and screws would you recommend?
12/31/2016
Hi Tom, I'd get the 6.4mm classics with 19mm shims.
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12/20/2016
I have some Speed Radicals already mounted up but I'd like to add a toe plate (6.4mm classic) to reduce ramp angle. The screws are epoxied, is it possible/recommended to remount in same holes? I'm handy but still a nube when it comes to mounting tech bindings...thanks!
12/20/2016
Hi JP, it often depends on the ski whether a second mount in the same holes would be secure. With a decent reinforcement plate it shouldn't be a problem, as long as the epoxied screws don't take out the core with them.
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12/11/2016
Will a Classic 6.4 mm Shim work with Plum Guide Toe? Looking at the shim, you just use a existing hole pattern, correct? I know I can use the Plum Yak toe plate as well for a shim, however I would not like to drill a larger hole pattern consider the ski I would be using. If this does work, which screws would I use? Thanks for your help
12/11/2016
Hi Adam, yes the Classics are compatible with the Plum toes using the existing hole pattern. You'll want the 19mm screws if your ski allows.
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This is a pretty-much perfect product. I was designing some ski packs and talking with Eric Carter about those packs and all kinds of other SkiMo gear. As we geeked out, he talked about binding ramp angles and boot ramp angles and I became fascinated - it was something I hadn't thought much about, but coming from a running background where I am very specific about the ramp of my shoes, it made a lot of sense.
Before mounting up my new Movement Shift skis with some Speed Radicals I read the Wildsnow article about ramp angle. While Eric is hardcore and like as little ramp as possible, I thought I'd start out with the 6.4mm B&D plate to bring my radicals down from 14.3 to 7.9. Since I had room, I added a couple 'gas pedal' shims to the toe of my boot, and I was in business. Eventually I took out one of the gas pedal shims, but now I feel so neutrally balanced over my skis that I can't believe the difference. It's a small change for sure, one that I don't notice first thing in the morning, but as the day wears on I feel like I'm still always were I want to be balanced over my skis.
I'm not advocating for low ramp angles, I'm not against them either. What, to me, matters most is getting in that perfect position on your skis, feeling like they are an extension of you, and like you are always where you want to be over them - feeling balanced and in command. With that in mind, these shims allow you to really dial in your position and get that perfect neutral feeling. Play with it, see what works best for you. Apparently they are fine to be stacked, so one day I may try to play around with going to an even lower ramp (love my Superlight 2.0 bindings that have a 7mm ramp, so going lower is definitely a possibility).
Before mounting up my new Movement Shift skis with some Speed Radicals I read the Wildsnow article about ramp angle. While Eric is hardcore and like as little ramp as possible, I thought I'd start out with the 6.4mm B&D plate to bring my radicals down from 14.3 to 7.9. Since I had room, I added a couple 'gas pedal' shims to the toe of my boot, and I was in business. Eventually I took out one of the gas pedal shims, but now I feel so neutrally balanced over my skis that I can't believe the difference. It's a small change for sure, one that I don't notice first thing in the morning, but as the day wears on I feel like I'm still always were I want to be balanced over my skis.
I'm not advocating for low ramp angles, I'm not against them either. What, to me, matters most is getting in that perfect position on your skis, feeling like they are an extension of you, and like you are always where you want to be over them - feeling balanced and in command. With that in mind, these shims allow you to really dial in your position and get that perfect neutral feeling. Play with it, see what works best for you. Apparently they are fine to be stacked, so one day I may try to play around with going to an even lower ramp (love my Superlight 2.0 bindings that have a 7mm ramp, so going lower is definitely a possibility).
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9/11/2016
Which shim should I choose for the Speed Turn 2.0?
9/11/2016
Hi Tom, you want the Classic shims for the Speed Turn 2.0. There are 3 thicknesses available.
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8/22/2016
Hi, I want to shim a Speed Turn toe by up to 10 mm ... is there a large shim or should I add a 6.4 and 3.2 to achieve 9.6 mm ? I'm using inserts so will find some longer machine screws.
Thanks
Thanks
8/22/2016
Hi Tim, 6.4mm is the thickest but some folks will stack them higher. If you do that, it's not a bad idea to put some adhesive (e.g. epoxy) between them so they act more like one.
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2/13/2016
Hello Mike:
I have a pair of Dynafit FT12's and am finding that I am skiing on my toes, what shim could I get for these to balance the angles. Could you also tell me what screws would work for this setup.
Thanks
Schalene
I have a pair of Dynafit FT12's and am finding that I am skiing on my toes, what shim could I get for these to balance the angles. Could you also tell me what screws would work for this setup.
Thanks
Schalene
2/13/2016
Hi Schalene, you would want the Radical shims for that binding. Easiest is to get the 4.7mm shim and 23.5mm screws. If you go 6.4, you would need to grind down the 28mm screws.
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