Hi! What type/length of screw do I need for the 4.7mm Shims on Kingpins?
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B&D Shims
Getting the right ramp angle on your bindings can make the difference between skiing on-point or in the backseat with tired quads. B&D makes shims for almost every occasion. Choose a shim based on your binding and desired pin height delta, which can take some experimentation. Shorter boot sole lengths are more affected by delta because they end up with a higher ramp angle, thus look for thicker shims. Shorter skis also may benefit from thicker shims. For long skis and long feet, go thin to win. Some folks who shim their toes also increase the height of their heel risers to compensate. Do this with B&D Nubbins.
►ORDERING NOTE: All shims are sold in PAIRS, while the screws are priced INDIVIDUALLY.
Classic Shims x2 - Drilled to match both Classic and Radical hole patterns.
Classic Extensions x2 - Also known as “tips & tails,” these allow the Classic shims to be used with Comfort, Vertical ST, and Vertical FT bindings. They interlock with the Classic shims.
Radical 1.0 Shims x2 - Pair well with Dynafit Radical ST and FT bindings.
Rotation Shims x2 - Compatible with both Rotation and Radical ST 2.0 bindings.
Radical FT 2.0 Shims x2 - Yep, these work with Radical FT 2.0 bindings.
G3 ION Shims x2 - Compatible with G3 ION bindings. RIP.
Xenic Shims x2 - Made for the Fritschi Xenic bindings. Your quads will say thank you.
Vipec / Tecton Shims x2 - Compatible with Vipec and Tecton bindings. Please note some shims will come undrilled.
Kingpin Shims x2 - Works for Marker Kingpin, Alpinist, and Cruise bindings.
ATK Raider Shims x2 - Works with ATK Raider 10/12 and Freeraider 14/16 bindings. Not compatible with C-Raider or newer Raider Evo models.
ATK C-Raider Shims x2 - Purpose made for C-Raider bindings and their longer striker plate.
ATK Raider Universal Shims x2 - Shims that pair with older Raider models. Please note these are not compatible with Raider Evo or C-Raider models.
ATK Modern Shims x2 - Shims that pair with Raider Evo, RT Evo (>24/25), Haute Route Plus (>24/25), Crest (>24/25), and Raider SL models.
Backland / MTN Shims x2 - Perfect for your Atomic Backland, Salomon MTN bindings, or Armada Tracer Tour bindings.
18mm Pozi Screw - If you add some shims, you're going to need longer screws. These are alpine screws with a large head that works well with Plum bindings.
19mm Torx Screw - These are good for shimming lots of toes with 6.4mm shims. Small Torx head works especially well with Dynafit bindings. Find the screws here.
21.5mm Pozi Screw - Another alpine-style, large-head screw that works best with G3 ION and Plum models.
23.5mm Pozi Screw - Perfect for 4.7mm shims under Radical 1.0 & Vertical toes that already have baseplates. Medium size head.
28mm Pozi Screw - These are for raising the Radical ST or Vertical ST toes past 4.7mm, amongst other uses. Watch your depth, you may need to grind 'em down.
Metric conversions: 3.2mm = 1/8". 4.7mm = 3/16". 6.4mm = 1/4"
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Questions & Reviews
10/19/2020
10/19/2020
Hi Daniel,
The Torx 19mm screws would be the right size for a Marker Kingpin M-Werks 12 with 4.7mm shims. If you do not have the M-Werks version, I would recommend double-checking the length of the toe mounting screws.
The Torx 19mm screws would be the right size for a Marker Kingpin M-Werks 12 with 4.7mm shims. If you do not have the M-Werks version, I would recommend double-checking the length of the toe mounting screws.
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10/16/2020
If I went with the 3.2/4.7mm shims for the Ion, and I was using them with QK inserts, I'm guessing I would probably want to go hunting for a 20mm M5 screw?
10/16/2020
Hey Andrew, the screw that QK recommends for the Ion (without shims) is a 14mm flat head. Adding a 3.2mm shim comes out to 17.2mm, and I think an 18mm flat head screw could work alright. Adding a 4.7mm shim comes out to 18.7mm. There's a chance that the 18mm screw may be too short here, so carefully grinding down a 20mm flat head may be an option.
11/4/2020
Went with the 4.7mm Shim and was using Binding Freedom inserts and a 20mm flat head screw worked perfectly. Only Bummer is I couldn't find it in Pozi, but my multi-tool has a No.2 Phillips that works perfectly for those toe screws.
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9/30/2020
Is it accurate that the 19mm Torx screws are currently sold out? Looking to put the 6.4mm classic shims under my Speed Rads, and that would be the right screw, correct?
9/30/2020
Patrick, sold out here, but not here Screws
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5/20/2020
I have 4.7mm shims and 23.5mm screws that I am installing on the Radical ST. Due to the head being fatter than the stock Dynafit screws I will only get about 5mm of screw penetration into the ski instead of 8mm which is one less screw thread embedded in the ski. As a solution I am considered buying the 28mm screws and grinding them down. I'm just wondering how long the threaded portion of the 28mm screws is since i will be removing material. Also, just want to confirm they have the same thread pitch as it looks a little bigger in the photo.
Thanks Skimo!
Thanks Skimo!
5/20/2020
Hey Firnspeigel, the threaded portion of the 28mm screw is 12.5mm long. The thread count is just a bit less in the 28mm than the 23.5 and the width is 6mm instead of 5.4mm, but that screw should work just fine! You'll need to grind it down by about 3mm but it will still be very secure.
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5/11/2020
I have a pair of Dynafit Radical ST bindings, and my boots my boots already have a lot of forward lean. I'm considering the 6.4 mm shims, and was wondering which screws to buy them with? First, do the bindings come with screws, and if not, which length would be optimal? I appreciate the help.
5/12/2020
Hey Max, you will want the 28mm Pozi screw. They may need to grind them down a little so that you don't get any dimples on your ski base. It will mostly depend on what ski you have and you may not have to if you have a thicker ski. Lay everything down on the ski and see how far the screw will go into the ski and grind down accordingly. If you need any further assistance we are always more than happy to help, email us at help@skimo.co for any more questions.
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2/19/2020
Hi, I want to get a 4.7mm shim under my bindings on the ski as pictured. So far I’ve twice ordered what seem to be the wrong shims to fit these bindings. Do I need the the Radical 1.0 shims? Am I better off buying the Dynafit Radical ST Toe Plates to achieve the same rise?
Thanks, Lewis
Thanks, Lewis
2/19/2020
Hey Lewis, sorry to hear about the purchasing issue! The Speed Radical/Speed Turn toe pieces pair well with the B&D classic shims, which you can order in a 4.7mm. Don't hesitate to reach out to us by phone or email if the situation continues to confuse!
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2/7/2020
I'm looking at toe shims for G3 Ion 12 bindings. Will the 4.7mm shims work with 21.5mm Posi screws? 6.4mm shims with 23.5?
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks,
Steve
2/8/2020
Hey Steve, the Ion 12 toe stock mounting screws are 16.6mm long flat head screws. Adding a 6.4mm shim, you'll need the 23.5mm screws and possibly grind them down 0.5mm to match the stock screw protrusion.
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1/31/2020
Do you have heel shims for Marker Alpinist?
1/31/2020
My apologies, we don't carry any shims for the Alpinist binding.
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12/30/2019
Hi. I'm looking to put a 6.4mm shim under both Dynafit Radical ST 1 and ST 2bindings (2 sets of skis). Which screw lengths and head types do I need for each of these set-ups?
Thanks.
Thanks.
1/1/2020
Hey Jeremy, for the Rad ST 1.0s you'll need full 28mm Pozi screws. For the 2.0s the 23.5mm screw should be more than long enough, since the stock mounting screw is 15.5mm in length (and you'll need at least a 21.9mm length with your 6.4mm shims). Happy de-ramping!
1/1/2020
Jeremy, For your ST 2.0 use the 23.5 Pozi. The Radical ST (if also using the plate it comes with) you will need the 28mm, but check the length of your current screws, because you may need to grind off about 1mm.
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11/25/2019
I have some Radical FT 2.0 bindings with a Scarpa Freedom SL boot in with 307mm sole length. It feels like I'm pitched forward and I find my quads burn much more than in my old Telemark setup, even after adjusting the forward lean to be less agressive.
I'm wondering if adding a toe shim is likely to help? If so, how thick of a shim do you recommend?
What length/type of screws do I need?
I'm wondering if adding a toe shim is likely to help? If so, how thick of a shim do you recommend?
What length/type of screws do I need?
11/26/2019
Hey Steve! Oof, we feel your pain! The Radical FT is running a hefty +15mm binding delta, so you could safely start with the 6.4mm shim to bring the delta down to a more manageable +8.6mm. For screws, you'll need Torx-head screws that are longer than the 19mm Torx typically used on the Rad FT toe piece.
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11/18/2019
Would like some shims for my Dynafit Speed turns (2.0) and am curious which size and screws I should be ordering. Thank you!
11/19/2019
Erica, you would get one of the Classic shims. With the 6.4 shim get the 19mm Torx Screws.
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10/25/2019
Does any of the shims fit a ATK Freeraider 14?
10/26/2019
Hi Ludd, unfortunately none of the B&D shims we stock are going to be wide enough for the mounting pattern on the Freeraider toe.
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6/7/2019
Question from
Hideki 
Hi, I have an old Dynafit TLT bindings and my toe plate is thin that they do not match that toe piece. The toe piece front part is lifted. I need a thick plate or shim. What should I buy? web has pic
6/8/2019
Hey Hideki, just because things can change between different models and years, could you send me a quick photo at (help@skimo.co)? I’ll be able to give some better info that way.
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4/7/2019
Do any of the toe shims fit the Black Diamond Helio 200 bindings?
Thanks,
Mike
Thanks,
Mike
4/10/2019
Hi Mike, yes the Classic shims will work. You could also get the Kreuzspitze toe shift plates for some additional functionality (ability to move the toes).
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4/1/2019
Hi,
I have Salomon MTN 95 Explore (177cm), Radical ST and Salomon MTN Lab (sole length 321mm), I am 183cm/6'0'. As soon as the surface gets bumby/funny I immediately find myself in the back seat with little or no control. Considering trying shims, but unsure about the thickness. Do you have any recommandation?
Regards
I have Salomon MTN 95 Explore (177cm), Radical ST and Salomon MTN Lab (sole length 321mm), I am 183cm/6'0'. As soon as the surface gets bumby/funny I immediately find myself in the back seat with little or no control. Considering trying shims, but unsure about the thickness. Do you have any recommandation?
Regards
4/4/2019
Erik- I would just go for the 4.7mm shim with that binding. The other idea is try a spoiler in the back of the boot.
4/8/2019
Thanks. I'd tried som self made spoilers, and it does help some. Do you sell spoilers?
Also, do you stock the 23.5mm Pozi Screw for mounting the 4,7mm shims under the toe piece+baseplate?
Also, do you stock the 23.5mm Pozi Screw for mounting the 4,7mm shims under the toe piece+baseplate?
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2/19/2019
Just want to clarify which screws for Radical ST 2.0 for 4.7mm shims and then separately, which ones for the 6.4mm shims?
Thanks
Thanks
2/20/2019
Hi Cliff, ideally you want 20mm screws for the former case and 22mm for the latter.
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1/31/2019
Hi,
Looking at a 6.4mm shim for a vipec. What screw length should I get? I would expect a 23.5mm screw length but I dont see that as an option.
Thanks
Looking at a 6.4mm shim for a vipec. What screw length should I get? I would expect a 23.5mm screw length but I dont see that as an option.
Thanks
2/7/2019
Hey Joe,
You need a 25mm pan head screw which we do have in stock but is not on the website. So you will have to call us @ 801-942-9084 and we can take the order from there.
Hope this helps. Thanks
Matt
You need a 25mm pan head screw which we do have in stock but is not on the website. So you will have to call us @ 801-942-9084 and we can take the order from there.
Hope this helps. Thanks
Matt
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11/5/2018
Rad 1.0 with a 3.2mm toe shim would be what screw length?
Cheers,
Cheers,
11/5/2018
Hey Michael! It'll be about a 21.2mm screw length if you're mounting the toe and plastic baseplate on top of the shim. The 21.5mm will likely be okay in this instance if that's the case. If you are mounting the toe directly to the shim without the plastic baseplate then it'll be about a 15.7mm long screw, in which case you'd need to grind the 18mm screw down a few millimeters.
11/7/2018
Do you mean the 21.5mm pozi screw, which I am all for. Not a fan of torx heads. I guess while I am at it, do you have pozi screws that would work on Rad 1.0 heel pieces? to get rid of all the torx heads?
Thanks again,
Mike
Thanks again,
Mike
11/8/2018
Hey Mike! Yup, the 21.5mm Pozi screw should be the one! Dynafit uses some very difficult to source hardware to mount their bindings and because of that I don't think we have any Pozi pan-heads for the heels unfortunately. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, we have run into that issue many times. There is more flexibility with head choice if you want to mount the heel into inserts like Binding Freedom or Quiver Killer but that comes with its own set of benefits/drawbacks.
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10/31/2018
I have purchased these before but now seem a little confused. Have new speed turns on the way and under the impression I should get the 6.4 classic shim. But I don’t see that as an option in the pull down menu. Any help would be great. You guys rock.
11/1/2018
Hey Tom! Dang, it looks like we're sold out of the Classic 6.4 for the time being. That being said, you're in luck because there's still an option. The Speed Turn 2.0 uses a variation of the Radical Toe, so the Radical 1.0 shim will work just the same in this instance. As long as the binding you got is the newer Speed Turn 2.0 and not the older original Speed Turn with the 5-hole mounting pattern on the toe then the Radical 1.0 shim will work for you. If it's a 6.4mm shim then you'll likely need the 19mm Torx screws in order to mount them to the ski. Let me know if that cleared things up.
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10/31/2018
Hello, I am looking to get a pair of the 6.4mm shins for a Radical FT2.0. I am mounting with Binding Freedom insterts. Do you have the appropriate screw size to include in the order?
Thanks!
Thanks!
11/1/2018
Hey Erik, you'll need 20mm length flat head M5 stainless bolts. Because it'll be a custom order, shoot me a quick email at "help@skimo.co" and we'll get you taken care of!
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