1/16/2020 Hole Pattern Recognition
Pattern recognition is an evolved specialty of the human brain. This innate ability allows us to recognize faces, spot a lion in the jungle, and see objects in the clouds. Despite the effortlessness of employing this skill, it is not well understood nor can it be replicated by machines, even after decades of computer science research. So take some pride in it.
A somewhat confusing array of holes, letters, numbers, and arrows on the Hagan jig by ATK.
But before we get too cocky, let’s test our abilities by taking it to the next level. Can we recognize patterns of patterns? In this case, we mean screw-hole patterns. The kind needed to mount tech bindings to your skis. Let’s see if we can spot any “meta patterns”:
Binding | Toe Pattern (WxL) | Heel Pattern (WxL) |
ATK Crest (2024+) | 30/45 x 35 | 45/25 x 60 |
ATK Crest (2023-) | 30 x 27 | 45/25 x 60 |
ATK V-Crest | 30/45 x 35 | 45/25 x 60 |
ATK Kuluar / RT | 30 x 27 | 45/25 x 60 |
ATK Haute Route | 30 x 27 | 25 x 86 |
ATK Haute Route Plus (2024+) | 30/45 x 35 | 25 x 86 |
ATK Haute Route Plus (2023-) | 30 x 27 | 25 x 86 |
ATK C-Raider | 30/45 x 35 | 45 x 60 |
ATK [Free]Raider Evo | 45 x 44 | 45 x 60 |
ATK Freeraider (2021+) | 45 x 44 | 45 x 60 |
ATK Freeraider (2020) | 30/45 x 35 | 45 x 60 |
ATK Raider 12 (2021+) | 45 x 44 | 45 x 60 |
ATK Raider 12 (2020) | 30/45 x 35 | 45 x 60 |
ATK R12 (2019) | 45 x 44 | 45 x 60 |
ATK Raider SL | 30/45 x 35 | 45 x 60 |
ATK RT 8/10 Evo | 30 x 27 | 45/25 x 60 |
ATK RT 11 Evo | 30/45 x 35 | 45/25 x 60 |
ATK Revolution / SL / Trofeo | 30 x 27 | 25 x 34 |
Atomic Backland / Summit | 40 x 38 | 27 x 58 |
BD Helio 110 / 145 / 200LT | 30 x 27 | 25 x 34 |
BD Helio 180 / 200 | 30 x 27 | 25 x 86 |
DPS L10 | 30 x 27 | 25 x 86 |
DPS R10 / H10 | 30 x 27 | 45/25 x 60 |
DPS R14 | 45 x 44 | 45 x 60 |
Dynafit DNA / Mezzalama | 30/40 x 35 | 28 x 30 |
Dynafit Low Tech Race | 30 x 39 | 23 x 25 |
Dynafit LTR 2.0 / PDG | 30 x 39 | 28 x 30 |
Dynafit LTR 105 | 24/42.5 x 25 | 28 x 30 |
Dynafit Speed Superlite | 30 x 39 | 23 x 37 |
Dynafit Superlite 150 | 24/42.5 x 25 | 34/28 x 28 |
Dynafit Superlite 2.0 / 175 | 30 x 39 | 34/28 x 28 |
Dynafit Speed / Speedfit | 30 x 39 | 28 x 38.5 |
Dynafit Blacklight | 30 x 39 | 28 x 38.5 |
Dynafit Speed Turn | 30 x 26.5 (+19) | 32/36 x 52.5 |
Dynafit Speed Turn 2.0 | 30 x 39 | 32/36 x 52.5 |
Dynafit Ridge | 30/40 x 36 | 30 x 69 |
Dynafit Seven Summits+ | 30/40 x 36 | 30 x 69 |
Dynafit Vertical Series | 30 x 26.5 (+19) | 32/36 x 52.5 |
Dynafit Radical Series | 30 x 39 | 32/36 x 52.5 |
Dynafit Radical 2.0 | 42.5 x 58 | 35.5 x 88 |
Dynafit Rotation 10/12 | 42.5 x 58 | 35.5 x 88 |
Dynafit Rotation 7 | 42.5 x 58 | 32/36 x 52.5 |
Dynafit Expedition | 30 x 39 | 25 x 25 |
Fritschi Vipec / Tecton | 44.0/39.5 x 66.0 | 28.5 x 60.5 |
Fritschi Xenic | 44 x 33 | 28.5 x 60.5 |
G3 ION / Zed | 40 x 45 | 36.5 x 52.5 |
Grizzly GR98 / Olympic | 30 x 27 | 25 x 34 |
Hagan Boost | 30/45 x 35 | 45 x 60 |
Hagan Core | 30 x 27 | 45 x 60 |
Hagan Core Pro / Evo | 45 x 44 | 45 x 60 |
Hagan Pure / Pin Up | 30 x 27 | 45/25 x 60 |
Hagan Ride | 30 x 27 | 25 x 86 |
Hagan Ultra / ZR | 30 x 27 | 25 x 34 |
Kreuzspitze SCTT/GT/RS | 30 x 27 | 20.5 x 25 |
Kreuzspitze EL | 30 x 27 | 32/36 x 52.5 |
La Sportiva RSR | 30 x 27 | 25 x 25 |
Marker Alpinist | 38 x 46 | 36 x 40 |
Marker Cruise | 38 x 46 | 36 x 77 |
Marker Kingpin | 38 x 46 | 36 x 77 (+115) |
Plum Race 99/120/135/145/150 | 30 x 26.5 | 20.5 x 26 |
Plum Race 165/170 / Oazo | 30 x 26.5 | 25 x 55 |
Plum Pika / WEPA | 30 x 26.5 | 32/36 x 53 |
Plum Caribou | 36 x 69 | 32/36 x 53 |
Plum Guide | 30 x 26.5 | 32/36 x 53 |
Plum Summit / Karibou | 36 x 69 | 36 x 72 |
Plum Yak | 50 x 50 | 55 x 58 |
RC1 by PG | 32 x 32 | 28 x 33.5 |
Salomon MTN / Summit | 40 x 38 | 27 x 58 |
Ski Trab TR Race / Titan / Vario | 30 x 27 | 25 x 31 |
Ski Trab TR / Titan Adjustable | 30 x 27 | 40 x 40 |
Ski Trab Vario Adj. / Vario.2 | 30 x 27 | 45.5 x 37.5 |
Ski Trab TR-2 | 36 x 28 | 45.5 x 37.5 (+51.5) |
Ski Trab TR-1 | 36 x 28 | 45.5 x 49 (+74) |
Slatnar ST Touring | 41 x 36 | 36.5 x 73 |
Tyrolia Almonte | 40/36 x 39 | 32 x 65 |
The numbers are the distance between sets of holes in width (across the ski) and length (along the ski) in millimeters. The "slash" widths (e.g. 32/36) indicate the front holes differ in width vs the rear. The 3rd number on the Vertical toes is the 5th hole behind the lock lever which is also present on older TLT Speed and Comfort series bindings from Dynafit. It is located 19mm up the ski from the first set of holes (+19). Similarly, the Kingpin and TR-2 have a 5th heel hole far in front of the others.
Whether or not you see race bindings when you look at clouds, we can see some patterns when drilling holes in skis. Knowing something about the history of tech bindings also helps, since it becomes clear that several manufacturers have borrowed measurements from previously patented Dynafit bindings. As such, many drill-hole patterns on toe pieces can be reduced to two competing standards, what we call “Classic Dynafit” 30 x 26.5mm and “Radical” 30 x 39mm. Bindings with the same patterns can be mounted in holes drilled for other bindings using the same dimensions.
The astute will notice a half-millimeter discrepancy in some toe-hole lengths: 26.5 vs 27mm. Luckily, this doesn’t prevent us from reusing drill holes as binding hole diameters have seemingly standardized at 6mm, while screw thread diameters are set at 5.5mm, leaving a half-millimeter of wiggle room.
However, fans of race bindings know that a half-millimeter can affect binding release characteristics, amount of heel rub in flat-on-ski mode, and degree of alignment between boot tech fittings and heel pins. And since binding screws are often countersunk, the act of tightening a screw can easily move a binding by this amount. Thus you often have to be conscious of the order in which you tighten binding screws, making sure not to tighten ones that pull in an unwanted direction first.
The same half-millimeter discrepancy is apparent in drilling jigs that manufacturers provide to their dealers. So make sure to ask your shop if they are using the correct jig, as some might be tempted to cut corners and use a common Dynafit jig to drill holes for a less common Ski Trab or Plum binding, for example. The result could be a little sloppy.
The Plum jig’s combination of common and uncommon drill hole patterns.
Heel hole patterns are less standardized unfortunately, but there are often solutions to compatibility issues in the form of adjustment plates. For example, a Hagan adjustment plate can be mounted with any heel that is 25mm wide, including the La Sportiva RSR and Ski Trab TR-Race bindings. The differing lengths of those bindings will affect the resulting boot sole length (BSL) range, but they will slide fore or aft just fine. Dynafit race heels, in contrast, will only work with the Dynafit adjustment plates, as they are a unique tripod design.
As you can see, there is quite a bit of variability between mounting patterns for race heels. This means the chances of being able to swap heels with another model and no adjustment plate are low.
In summary, before grabbing a drill and turning your skis into Swiss cheese, take a moment to check the screw hole pattern. Similar to tech binding heel gaps, a few unwritten standards have evolved. It’s possible another binding or adjustment plate will fit into existing holes or some simple planning will give you future flexibility. That could free your brain to recognize more interesting patterns such as possible ski lines.
This article was originally published on 1/29/2014 and was last updated on 1/16/2020.Comments
Is it possible to get an original speed turn heelpiece?
Or do the original speed turn and the speed turn 2.0 have the same heel mount pattern?
Thank you for confirming!
this is great info! i am thinking of replacing my original Plum Oazo 8 Binding with speed Radical. Was wondering if the new binding could be mounted given the hole patterns are not the same? If so, would the Radical ST toe shims and related 19mm torx screws could also be potentially be added to compensate the pin height delta?
(FYI i had the Dynafit TLT8 Expedition Boot - Women Boot Size: 26.0)
Thanks!
I have some fairly new (2020) Fritschi Tecton 12 and the toe-piece holes don't seem to line up very well using the numbers above (43.5/39.5 x 65.5).
I ended up with measurements of 44.0/39.5 x 66.0.
I was able to mount one pair using the Wild snow template which appears to match the Skimo numbers posted above but I got some interference.
Has anyone else noticed this?
Thanks
Just measured a binding from stock for you. The measurements for the Tecton toe pattern I measured more closely resembled the hole pattern that you measured at 44.0/39.5 x 66.0. We have changed the listed measurements to reflect this! Thanks for keeping us honest!
0.02" is quite noticeable.
My binding holes have little nubs every 90 degrees in the ID that make the standard caliper measurement of subtracting the ID from the outside distance inaccurate. I printed a 1:1 from SolidWorks and verified the printout center-marks with calipers. I was able to sight the template through the binding holes to obtain confirmation. The alignment was perfect.
Doesn't mean the other numbers can't be made to work due to screw clearances, but any designer worth their salt would choose the nominal.
I should mention that the 66 mm is along the ski center axis, and not front to back hole.
The different front/back widths make it a little more challenging.
Wish I'd had the jig!:)
Great question! We would recommend a minimum distance of 1cm in any direction between an existing drilled hole and any new holes being drilled. Hope this helps!
Can you advice what adjustment plate would fit for Alpinist 12 ?
I need extra 20mm of adjustment capability so heel or toe adjustment would work.
I looked through, but none of them seem to match...
I understood Toe is 38x46 , Heel - 36x40.
Can you advice ?
BR,
Andrius
would help in planning franken-bindings
thx!
I am putting together an unusual setup and could use some help. I have some new Zandstra Nordic Skates. These are typically set up with Nordic bindings but I am wanting to put tech bindings on them (to make my life difficult). The Rail on which they can be bolted is slotted at a width of 26mm on center. Does your chart of hole patterns measure on center, outer edge, or inner edge?
Cheers!
ATK XXL plate R03 A {toe plate} 60x60mm suitable for old classic Dynafit TLT toe patterns 30x26.5 or Kreuzspitze/ATK and others 30x27. 3 toe positions.
ATK XXL plate R03 P {heel plate} 60x60mm suitable for any patterns 25xLL or ATK heels, or Kreuzspitze heels rotated 90 degrees {SCTT, SCTTT, GT}. shifting rail length 60mmm.
newer model {now being sold} is wider on the contact/supporting area with binding
ATK XXL plate R08 A {toe plate} 60x60mm suitable for old classic Dynafit TLT toe patterns 30x26.5 or Kreuzspitze/ATK and others 30x27. 3 toe positions.