I just got the Scarpa Maestrale XT in 28.0 -311mm
In the past, I've used 27.0 Tour Wrap Intuition Liner for 28.0 314mm Scarpa Maestrale RS.
I am wondering if I should have been using 28.0 size liner for Scarpa?
Can you confirm the best size and volume for this liner for 311mm 28
0 Scarpa Masterle XT 2021 to 2022 model?
Thanks!
Intuition Pro Tour Liners
Closed-cell EVA foam is known for its ability to hold a mold. That means after having your liners heat molded, they won’t start to return to a former shape and crowd your feet. The foam is also warmer than some other liner materials and is very dense which helps in high-performance skiing. All Intuition liners are made with specially formulated closed-cell EVA foam, which is why they are often the first choice for pro skiers. The Pro Tour is an Intuition foam liner with flex zones to improve articulation in touring boots.
- Uniform cell structure traps gasses for the highest quality memory foam.
- Patented foam without fillers is lighter than traditional sewn or injected liners.
- Ankle flex zone increases comfort and range of motion when skiing uphill.
- Integrated lacing system securely wraps your foot to help avoid blisters.
- Liners can be reheated several times and will still retain their shape.
- Available with three thickness ratings: low, medium, and high volume*.
* The Low Volume version is much thinner than the Medium Volume and weighs 22g less in size 26. The High Volume is much thicker than the Medium Volume liner and will take up more space making the fit tighter.
* Sizing: For whole-sized touring boots (e.g. 26.0), order the liner in the same size as your boot. For half sizes (e.g. 26.5), round down for most boot models except those using "SCARPA sizing" (where 26.5 is the same shell as 27.0). For SCARPA boots, round up. If you have questions, you can call or email us at help@skimo.co and we can help find your best liner.
Update 2023/24: The Pro Tour has been replaced by the Tour Tongue, which can be found here.
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4/9/2024
4/10/2024
Hi Josh,
Realistically, most people can probably wear two different mondo sizes of liner in their boots with a heat mold and not notice a huge difference.
Scarpa is trickier because their sizes break on the half size. So a 28 Maestrale will be closer to a 27.5 from other brands. That said, the Maestrale also runs a little bit big relative to Scarpa's other boots. So I would say I'd lean towards the size 28 liner, I think it would be a little closer.
Volume will depend on what you want to do with the fit. If the boot is a tight fit for you all around, go with the 9mm thickness. If you want to fill slightly more room than stock, the 12mm is great. The 12mm thickness with a good heat mold will result in a snugger fit than stock, but will pack out where it needs to. So if you have a little bit of extra room, that would be the way to go.
Given that you have used a wrap liner in the past, I would lean towards the 12mm thickness. You'll lose a lot of cuff volume with the 9mm.
Realistically, most people can probably wear two different mondo sizes of liner in their boots with a heat mold and not notice a huge difference.
Scarpa is trickier because their sizes break on the half size. So a 28 Maestrale will be closer to a 27.5 from other brands. That said, the Maestrale also runs a little bit big relative to Scarpa's other boots. So I would say I'd lean towards the size 28 liner, I think it would be a little closer.
Volume will depend on what you want to do with the fit. If the boot is a tight fit for you all around, go with the 9mm thickness. If you want to fill slightly more room than stock, the 12mm is great. The 12mm thickness with a good heat mold will result in a snugger fit than stock, but will pack out where it needs to. So if you have a little bit of extra room, that would be the way to go.
Given that you have used a wrap liner in the past, I would lean towards the 12mm thickness. You'll lose a lot of cuff volume with the 9mm.
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3/28/2024
I have a pair of Tecnica Zero G Pro Tours in 26.5. I find that the fit is generally "okay" other than too much pressure on the top of my foot but the liner feels a bit thin in other places (like around the ankle).
Do you think a 12mm pro tour/tour tongue would be a decent option to replace or better to go with 9mm to help with the top of foot pressure? Or maybe this isn't quite a liner issue...also, I assume size 26 on these would be the correct size.
Do you think a 12mm pro tour/tour tongue would be a decent option to replace or better to go with 9mm to help with the top of foot pressure? Or maybe this isn't quite a liner issue...also, I assume size 26 on these would be the correct size.
3/28/2024
Patrick,
You could go with the 12 and add some padding to the top of your foot when you mold the liner, or try the 9 and add some sort of permanent padding to the ankle. You could also try adding padding to the ankle of your current liners. The 9mm would be a bit on the thin side for the ZGTP, I would avoid that unless you really want more space all around.
You could go with the 12 and add some padding to the top of your foot when you mold the liner, or try the 9 and add some sort of permanent padding to the ankle. You could also try adding padding to the ankle of your current liners. The 9mm would be a bit on the thin side for the ZGTP, I would avoid that unless you really want more space all around.
3/30/2024
Hey Emmett - Can you explain why 9mm is on the thin side for the ZGTP? The stock ZGTP liner is thin and it seems like 12mm would change the fit a lot. I bought 12mm but returned them after seeing how much thicker they were than stock. Now I’m wondering if I made a mistake and should have tried to mold them. In my case the stock fit is snug in terms of width and has reasonable heel hold, but has too much length and toe box room.
3/30/2024
Hi CDB,
Intuition in particular tends to pack out quite a bit when you mold them. A proper fit will feel pretty tight before molding. 12mm is a bit thicker than stock, 9mm is a decent bit thinner than the stock liner. In general, a thicker liner won't help much with having too much length/room in the toe box. Do you have some sort of aftermarket footbed in them? That can help hold your foot in the right spot in the boot.
Feel free to shoot us an email at help@skimo.co as well, happy to go more in-depth.
Intuition in particular tends to pack out quite a bit when you mold them. A proper fit will feel pretty tight before molding. 12mm is a bit thicker than stock, 9mm is a decent bit thinner than the stock liner. In general, a thicker liner won't help much with having too much length/room in the toe box. Do you have some sort of aftermarket footbed in them? That can help hold your foot in the right spot in the boot.
Feel free to shoot us an email at help@skimo.co as well, happy to go more in-depth.
3/30/2024
Thanks very much for the further detail. I should ideally be in a smaller size but higher volume boot. However the roomy toe box is a nice luxury at times and they ski ok so I plan to keep them for a while. I do have a custom footbed and it helped a lot. They were terrible downhill before the footbed.
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3/18/2024
Can I put these liners in Atomic Backlands PRO CL?
3/19/2024
Milton, It would be a tight squeeze, they are a good bit thicker, especially in the cuff. For assistance with liners, please email us at help@skimo.co with your situation.
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3/16/2024
Looking to replace stock Scott Comos Pro liners for 25 boot (knowing that these run small). Could use a bit more volume than the packed out stock ones. Suggestion?
3/16/2024
Hi Michael,
The Cosmos is pretty high volume and beefy, so I would go for a MV/12mm thickness Pro Tour if you want to fill up a bit of space compared to your packed out older liners. The 15mm/HV is probably more than you want, unless you're really loose everywhere.
The Cosmos is pretty high volume and beefy, so I would go for a MV/12mm thickness Pro Tour if you want to fill up a bit of space compared to your packed out older liners. The 15mm/HV is probably more than you want, unless you're really loose everywhere.
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2/22/2024
i have what i guess is the original scarpa maestrale boots in size 26.5. what would you recommend as a replacement boot liner?
i was thinking the Intuition Pro Tour medium volume size 26.
appreciate your thoughts. TY
i was thinking the Intuition Pro Tour medium volume size 26.
appreciate your thoughts. TY
2/22/2024
Hi John,
In Scarpa boots specifically, 26.5 and 27 share a shell. So for Scarpa, if you have a 26.5, I would actually recommend a size 27 aftermarket liner. The medium volume will be a little bit thicker than the stock liner, but the key to fitting Intuitions is heat molding. With a mold, usually a little extra foam is a good thing, as it will adapt where it needs to in order to match your foot.
In Scarpa boots specifically, 26.5 and 27 share a shell. So for Scarpa, if you have a 26.5, I would actually recommend a size 27 aftermarket liner. The medium volume will be a little bit thicker than the stock liner, but the key to fitting Intuitions is heat molding. With a mold, usually a little extra foam is a good thing, as it will adapt where it needs to in order to match your foot.
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2/5/2024
Why are liners sized on the whole size (26, 27, ...) instead the half size as boots are (26.5, 27.5, ...)? I have a pair of 26.5 boots - do I buy a 26 or a 27 liner?
2/5/2024
Hi Peter,
Touring boots (with very few exceptions) do not have real half sizes. 26 and 26.5 are the same shell for the vast majority of manufacturers (other than Scarpa). So we recommend the following, from the product description:
Sizing: For whole-sized touring boots (e.g. 26.0), order the liner in the same size as your boot. For half sizes (e.g. 26.5), round down for most boot models except those using "SCARPA sizing" (where 26.5 is the same shell as 27.0). For SCARPA boots, round up. If you have questions, you can call or email us at help@skimo.co and we can help find your best liner.
Touring boots (with very few exceptions) do not have real half sizes. 26 and 26.5 are the same shell for the vast majority of manufacturers (other than Scarpa). So we recommend the following, from the product description:
Sizing: For whole-sized touring boots (e.g. 26.0), order the liner in the same size as your boot. For half sizes (e.g. 26.5), round down for most boot models except those using "SCARPA sizing" (where 26.5 is the same shell as 27.0). For SCARPA boots, round up. If you have questions, you can call or email us at help@skimo.co and we can help find your best liner.
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1/20/2024
I’m a little confused by the high volume being thicker and the low volume being thinner… I have a very narrow, thin foot (which I would consider to be “low volume”) and my boot liners are packed out so I’m looking for a new pair. I thought I would want a low volume liner because of my thin, narrow feet - but reading the description, it seems maybe I want a high volume boot liner that will take up more space?
Thanks for your help.
Thanks for your help.
1/20/2024
Hi Michelle, I agree that Intuition's naming is counterintuitive. But that is correct, you want the high-volume version. Going forward with their Tour Tongue liners, they are switching to just listing the thickness in mm so confusion will subside.
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1/19/2024
How do these liners compare to the Palau line of liners?
1/20/2024
Hi Dominik,
In general, the distinctive feature of intuitions is their dense, very heat-moldable foam. This makes them very adaptable in a heat mold, and very warm. Intuitions may feel less comfortable when you first put them on, unmolded - but they will take on the shape of the foot extremely well in a mold.
Making some generalizations, Palau liners are also nice and heat moldable, but tend to feel a bit better out of the box. They also tend to walk a bit better than Intuitions, although Intuition does not really have a super lightweight offering to compare to Palau's lighter-weight liners. In general, Intuition liners are some of the best for heavier touring boots, for increasing downhill performance and fit as well as warmth. Palau makes great lighter-weight touring liners with an awesome range of motion and a very comfortable fit.
In general, the distinctive feature of intuitions is their dense, very heat-moldable foam. This makes them very adaptable in a heat mold, and very warm. Intuitions may feel less comfortable when you first put them on, unmolded - but they will take on the shape of the foot extremely well in a mold.
Making some generalizations, Palau liners are also nice and heat moldable, but tend to feel a bit better out of the box. They also tend to walk a bit better than Intuitions, although Intuition does not really have a super lightweight offering to compare to Palau's lighter-weight liners. In general, Intuition liners are some of the best for heavier touring boots, for increasing downhill performance and fit as well as warmth. Palau makes great lighter-weight touring liners with an awesome range of motion and a very comfortable fit.
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1/18/2024
I have orange Dynafit Hoji PX and need a new liner. the original is bunching inside. My shells are punched along the outside midfoot and sixth toe area. Main pain points now are the ankle bones. I use superfeet berry insoles. I'm reasonably happy with ROM when walking (often ~4 mi approach) and flex when skiing. I don't think I want anything much thicker than the original liners, but still something that is more supportive around the ankle. Would this liner be a good replacement? WOuld you recommend I stick with low volume version? Is ther another liner you'd recommend that doesnt have laces (sounds like a pia). Thanks
1/19/2024
Hi Dominik,
This would be a good replacement. The Medium Volume might be a little thicker than stock, but you can mold it to compress the foam where needed. The low volume might be a little thin for that boot. Intuition foam is very moldable and dense, so it should give you a nice ankle fit after heat molding and provide plenty of support!
As far as the laces go, you can just take them off :)
This would be a good replacement. The Medium Volume might be a little thicker than stock, but you can mold it to compress the foam where needed. The low volume might be a little thin for that boot. Intuition foam is very moldable and dense, so it should give you a nice ankle fit after heat molding and provide plenty of support!
As far as the laces go, you can just take them off :)
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12/22/2023
Which pro tour liner for a tlt8, size 29.5? the stock liners in there are pretty roomy, I have extra insoles in there taking up space. Stiff tongue? Thanks.
12/22/2023
Hi Darren! With your goal in mind, you'd like find the best fit in the low volume in a size 29. We no longer have this size, but check out the updated Tour Tongue Liners in a 9mm if the low volume is of interest. You may be able to make the medium volume work, but anticipate having to heat mold the liner in order for it to fit you and the boot correctly. Thanks!
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12/21/2023
I got some Pro Tours in medium volume for La Spo Skorpius; after 4 days they feel pretty loose and a fair bit less downhill performance than Tour Wraps. Can anyone tell me if it’s worth trying the stiff tongues to get back some downhill performance? It’s probably a linear progression from touring ROM vs skiing power, but I miss my Skorpius feeling like enough boot.
12/21/2023
Hi Riff! As you mention, there is a general inverse correlation between touring ROM vs skiing power when it comes to liners, and even boots. Whether to prioritize uphill efficiency or downhill performance in liner choice is a highly subjective matter and depends on the type of skiing you like to do! Tour Wraps in your boot would be somewhat of an untraditional pairing, but if your missing that performance I wouldn't blame you for liking it! If you'd like to discuss it more, send us an email at help@skimo.co and we will dive in. Thanks!
12/21/2023
What i was really getting at was whether anyone can describe the tradeoffs for using the Intuition stiff tongues for the Pro Tour liner. I’m debating whether to buy some.
Thanks!
Thanks!
12/22/2023
Hi Riff! I see. The replacement Power Tongues for the Pro Tour would certainly help stiffen up the boot. A stiffer tongue will specifically decrease your forward range of motion and increase the felt resistance during this portion of your stride. It would likely be a worthy addition to your boot if you desire better downhill performance however. Thanks!
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12/14/2023
I have the Dynafit Radical Pro boots in a 24-24.5 and the original liner is falling apart, so I bought some Tour Tongue 12 mm liners from intuition hoping they would fill some empty spots and provide a little more support than the dynafit liners, or at least last longer. They seem to be taking up WAY too much room in my boot and I'm doubtful that molding them is going to solve the problem, they just seem way thicker than the original liner.
Would the low volume tour pro liner be a more comparable option to the liner that came with the radical pro boot? The cinch alone would be a huge upgrade to keep the liner snug and in place when in hike mode. Trying to salvage this boot for another season of hard skiing but desperately in need of new liners.
Would the low volume tour pro liner be a more comparable option to the liner that came with the radical pro boot? The cinch alone would be a huge upgrade to keep the liner snug and in place when in hike mode. Trying to salvage this boot for another season of hard skiing but desperately in need of new liners.
12/15/2023
Hi Joelle,
The Low Volume pro tour is slightly thinner than stock, but not by a ton. It is probably closer to stock, relatively, than the 12mm. I will say that you can get a lot of compression out of the intuition foam around the foot. When you are heat molding, you can buckle down the shell more aggressively to compress the foam more. You can also add padding to areas that you want to gain more room in. A good boot fitter should have no issue with this. So I would say if you found the stock liner lacking, the 12mm with an aggressive mold would give you a more custom fit. The caveat is that you cannot compress the tongue and calf area as effectively with a mold. So if the thicker liner is too big in the cuff area, then you are probably better off with the low volume. If you just have a lot of foam in the ankle and foot area, and the increased cuff padding is a good thing, I would stick with thicker and just really mold it out.
The Low Volume pro tour is slightly thinner than stock, but not by a ton. It is probably closer to stock, relatively, than the 12mm. I will say that you can get a lot of compression out of the intuition foam around the foot. When you are heat molding, you can buckle down the shell more aggressively to compress the foam more. You can also add padding to areas that you want to gain more room in. A good boot fitter should have no issue with this. So I would say if you found the stock liner lacking, the 12mm with an aggressive mold would give you a more custom fit. The caveat is that you cannot compress the tongue and calf area as effectively with a mold. So if the thicker liner is too big in the cuff area, then you are probably better off with the low volume. If you just have a lot of foam in the ankle and foot area, and the increased cuff padding is a good thing, I would stick with thicker and just really mold it out.
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11/29/2023
Howdy! I'm interested in these liners but would like some help determining which size is best. I have the Dynafit Radical Pro W 25.5 (I love them), but the stock liner is falling apart. I have a wide toe box, a high arch, and instep. Which liner and size would you recommend?
11/30/2023
Hi Maryn,
If you liked the stock liner, you could purchase a direct replacement here. Choose the "Dynafitter 10" in your size 25.5 for a direct replacement for the Radical Pro. If you would like a bit more thickness and support than stock, the size 25 Tour Tongue from Intuition , would be a great choice. The 12mm thickness will give you more cushioning and support, but you will need to heat mold it to get the ideal fit (we recommend this with any liner, but especially the Intuitions).
If you have any questions, feel free to email us at help@skimo.co!
If you liked the stock liner, you could purchase a direct replacement here. Choose the "Dynafitter 10" in your size 25.5 for a direct replacement for the Radical Pro. If you would like a bit more thickness and support than stock, the size 25 Tour Tongue from Intuition , would be a great choice. The 12mm thickness will give you more cushioning and support, but you will need to heat mold it to get the ideal fit (we recommend this with any liner, but especially the Intuitions).
If you have any questions, feel free to email us at help@skimo.co!
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11/27/2023
Hi, I have newly acquired some Tecnica Zero G Pros. Shell fit is 2cms/0.75"ish, didn't dare the 26.5 shell with a 1cm fit for touring.
Which volume Pro Tour would you recommend? I have skinny legs and feet, so taking up some volume compared to stock would be fine...
Which volume Pro Tour would you recommend? I have skinny legs and feet, so taking up some volume compared to stock would be fine...
11/27/2023
Hi Daniel, the Medium Volume Pro Tour Liner would be a good option for you! If we're out of stock of your size on this page, check out Intuition's updated Tour Tongue Liners.
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8/31/2023
I have a pair of fisher transalp pro in 26.5 that are two years old. I get about 50 days a year in them, mostly touring. The first year i used a pair of intuition tour pro liners. I know in another response here you don’t recommend this.They worked well until the end of the year when they became too loose. Last year i used a pair of tour wrap liners that had been used for a year in another pair of boots.
I am looking for a new pair of liners for this year. I think there is a bit more range of motion in the tour pro. Should i get last years tour pro or wait for the updated model or a new tour wrap. Thanks
I am looking for a new pair of liners for this year. I think there is a bit more range of motion in the tour pro. Should i get last years tour pro or wait for the updated model or a new tour wrap. Thanks
9/1/2023
Hi Damon, the Pro Tour / Tongue liners on this page do allow more range of motion than the Tour Wrap liners. If you were happy with the range of motion with the Pro Tour model, I'd say stick with that. If you want to stiffen the boot up, go for the wrap. We don't expect the new Tour / Tongue model to offer significantly different performance from prior years' models.
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5/23/2023
I have Scott super guide carbon boots (27.5), the stock liner turned out to just be too tight in the forefoot area even after heat molding so I have been skiing them with Palau Tour Lite Pro Evo Liners which has relieved that issue. I would like to find a liner that is a bit of a middle ground between the two because the Palau liner leaves a bit too much room and the boot feels soft and loose now. Do you think the low volume pro tour liner would potentially fit the bill for this?
5/24/2023
Josh, Thanks for all that background. The LV liner is not often needed, but you sound like the perfect customer for it. The thinner foot area should be right. And the thick and stiff cuff will give the support and stiffness of the stock cuff.
5/24/2023
Thank you! And just to confirm, for 27.5 Scott boots, I would want the intuition 27 LV liner?
6/17/2023
Hi Joshua, that's correct -- a size 27 liner for a 27/27.5 boot shell.
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5/14/2023
Hi there!
I have a pair of Dalbello Lupo AX 120 ski boots in a size 27.5. They're great boots, but the stock liners have completely fallen apart after ~4y of use.
Do you think the intuition pro tour liner would be a good choice? If so, which size? And which volume?
Thank you in advance,
Greg
I have a pair of Dalbello Lupo AX 120 ski boots in a size 27.5. They're great boots, but the stock liners have completely fallen apart after ~4y of use.
Do you think the intuition pro tour liner would be a good choice? If so, which size? And which volume?
Thank you in advance,
Greg
5/15/2023
Greg, For the Lupo, this would be good replacement liner.
The size 27 medium would be the right size.
The size 27 medium would be the right size.
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4/11/2023
Hey, I have a pair of dalbello quantum free asolo factory 130s and the liners are packed out and falling apart. The toe box is good but the ankle and calf areas take a lot of tightening to get a snug fit. Shell fit is about 1.5 fingers in the back
Do you think the MV pro tours would be a good option as a replacement liner?
Thanks!
Do you think the MV pro tours would be a good option as a replacement liner?
Thanks!
4/11/2023
Hi Lewis! The MV Pro Tours likely use too thick of foam for your boots, possibly creating fit problems down the line. Instead, I would check out the Palau Tour Lite Pro Liners. Thanks!
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4/9/2023
Hi, I have a pair of La Sportiva Sytrons size 25 that have started feeling really flexible and the stock liner is definitely packed out in areas. Would these help make them feel stiffer again? Would I want the low volume option for these boots?
4/10/2023
Paul, The Sytrons are a Race boot with a thin race liner. The Pro Tours are quite the opposite, mostly for Beef or Freeride style boots. Not only will they make the boot way stiffer, but the cuff is unlikely to close over them.
One of the Palau liners would be a better fit. Like this one Palau Lite
One of the Palau liners would be a better fit. Like this one Palau Lite
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4/8/2023
I have an Atomic Backland boot that has not yet been Memory Fit molded. I would like to replace my stock liner with an Intuition and heat mold both the liner and shell. Any recommendations on the process of doing this? Should Atomic’s instructions still be followed by inserting liner into shell and whole boot into oven? At what point in the process should my footbed be inserted? Thank You!
4/8/2023
Hi Jeff, for the liner, the best bet is to follow Intuition's at-home instructions. For shell molding, we would recommend you head to shop with the right equipment, but it can be done at home with care. I'd suggest heating the liners and the shells at the same time but separately, insert your footbed into the liners, then put the liners into the shells and let everything set.
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