Hello,
I got a pair of Scarpa Maestrale RS size 26 near the end of last season. I have been to a couple boot fitters and the shell is a good fit, but I have been getting bad heel blisters. I have added a superfeet insole, experimented with heel lifters and foam around the ankle to improve the heel hold, no luck - still lots of heel movement. I am considering trying the Zipfit GFT for improved heel hold, but they sure look heavy and expensive. Do you think this Tour tongue would substantially improve the heel hold while touring? thanks
Intuition Tour Tongue Liners
Being synonymous with comfort and performance, Intuition has rightfully been atop the leaderboard when it comes to high-quality after-market liners. Taking over from the venerable Pro Tour liner, the Tour Tongue has received subtle design updates that improve upon this already successful formula. As with all Intuition liners, the Tour Tongue is built using a highly customizable foam that when heated, comfortably accommodates many different foot shapes. While the main body of the Tour Tongue uses a moderately compliant dual-density foam, the toebox utilizes a low dual-density foam that aims to provide more comfort during a big day out. Purposefully designed with modern touring boots in mind, the Tour Tongue features a rear flex zone that allows you to capitalize on the impressive range of motion definitive of modern touring boots, allowing you to move quickly and efficiently. Compared to the Pro Tour, the Tour Tongue features a thinner sole thickness, a revised J-bar that allows for better heel hold and ankle support, and a sewn-in tongue for durability. Finally, the Tour Tongue is offered in three thicknesses, allowing you to select the best option for the fit of your boots.
Whether you want to add warmth, performance, or comfort to your existing touring boot, the Tour Tongue is a worthwhile upgrade.
- Fully heat-moldable for a comfortable and individualized fit.
- Low-density foam is strategically used in the toe box, helping provide comfort on big days out.
- Internal J-bar helps to lock down the heel and provide support for bony ankles.
- Rear flex zone allows you to enjoy the excellent range of motion found on modern touring boots.
- Antimicrobial treatment (helps) fight off odor-causing bacteria.
- Included 4mm high-density foam shim allows you to modify liner volume.
- 9mm is low-volume, 12mm is medium volume, and 15mm is high-volume.
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11/6/2024
11/7/2024
Hi pat, the Intuition Tour Tongue liners are not going to be very different from the stock liner that comes with a Maestrale. It's also made by Intuition and somewhat comparable to the 12mm thickness here. The GFT could be a good option. It does provide good heel hold when molded, though it is significantly heavier than other liner options.
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11/2/2024
I am still skiing the Garmont Venus and they have always been too big but it’s the smallest size they made. Want to replace my old Pro Tour liners with these Tour Toungue liners but not sure if I should go 12 or 15mm. I can pretty easily fit 2 (little) fingers in for a shell fit but my husband can only do 1.5. Is there a measurement or something less subjective to decide this? Thanks
11/2/2024
Hi Emily! I think the 12mm with the addition of a heat mold would be best. Heat molding the 15mm liners may also work, but being a thicker liner, they may create fit issues elsewhere. To discuss this further, send an email to help@skimo.co and we can dive into the details. Thanks!
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10/30/2024
I bought the intuition tour tongue 12mm last year to fit in my Radical Pros and they caused me lots of discomfort. Mostly outside of the foot while touring and in my calf area while skiing. I also thought they added too much stiffness for my liking. I find the stock liners comfortable but I would like some more performance. My stock liners need to be replaced and I am wondering if I should buy the dynafit replacement liners or go with the 9mm tour tongue. Do you think the 9mm is different enough from the 12mm?
10/30/2024
Hi Mark,
Did you heat mold your new Intuition liners? They do need to be heat molded in order to have the best fit out of the box.
If you liked the stock liners, you could just buy those again! That would be the best way to assure that you know what you're getting. The 9mm Tour Tongues could work, but they are a bit thinner than the stock Radical Pro liner. The 12mm Tour Tongue is actually closer, just slightly thicker.
Did you heat mold your new Intuition liners? They do need to be heat molded in order to have the best fit out of the box.
If you liked the stock liners, you could just buy those again! That would be the best way to assure that you know what you're getting. The 9mm Tour Tongues could work, but they are a bit thinner than the stock Radical Pro liner. The 12mm Tour Tongue is actually closer, just slightly thicker.
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10/21/2024
I'm looking for tongue style liners for the original Scarpa Aliens(the yellow boots). They're old but I still really like how these ski.
My shells are a 29(305bsl) and the stock liner worked well for me until it packed out.
Does the LV version of this liner seem like a good choice? If not can you recommend something?
My shells are a 29(305bsl) and the stock liner worked well for me until it packed out.
Does the LV version of this liner seem like a good choice? If not can you recommend something?
10/21/2024
Brian, The Alien are the best boots ever.. They have Intuition liners, but not these. It would be a huge stretch for the cuff of the Alien to fit over the these.
You should look at the Alien or Tour LT here - Scarpa liners.
Don't have many sizes now, will have more this season.
You should look at the Alien or Tour LT here - Scarpa liners.
Don't have many sizes now, will have more this season.
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10/14/2024
Howdy. Looking for recommendations for the Atomic Backland CL with the intention of gaining a little more stiffness. I use the boot both on the splitboard (with mods) and with a lightweight ski setup. I have the boot in a 27/27.5. I'm leaning towards the tongue version here in a 9mm 27. I'm assuming this is pretty similar to the stock Atomic liner? Will the wrap version provide more stability?
10/14/2024
Will, They are not quite the same liner. You should only consider the 9mm. But the overall thickness of the Intuitions will be more then your stock liner, mostly in the cuff. Nice if you have skinny legs, may be an issue if they are thick. They will add stiffness.
10/14/2024
Would you recommend another intuition liner over this one?
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10/9/2024
Hi!
Looking to replace the liner in a 2025 ZGTP. Stock liner is OK volume wise but will be too loose soon. Hurts my shin.
I skied 2023 ZGTP before, stock liner was too thin, replaced with well worn (thinned) Pro Tour MV. This liner is too thick in the cuff for the 2025 ZGTP because the designers droppen the third ladder mounting hole, genius. A relatively new MV is way to voluminous.
My shell fit is about 1". 27cm foot in 27.5 shell, need 6th toe punch and instep is tight in the 2025 boot (had to bend it on the 2023).
So I am torn between 9mm and 12mm obviously. Can you guys give me a hint?
Looking to replace the liner in a 2025 ZGTP. Stock liner is OK volume wise but will be too loose soon. Hurts my shin.
I skied 2023 ZGTP before, stock liner was too thin, replaced with well worn (thinned) Pro Tour MV. This liner is too thick in the cuff for the 2025 ZGTP because the designers droppen the third ladder mounting hole, genius. A relatively new MV is way to voluminous.
My shell fit is about 1". 27cm foot in 27.5 shell, need 6th toe punch and instep is tight in the 2025 boot (had to bend it on the 2023).
So I am torn between 9mm and 12mm obviously. Can you guys give me a hint?
10/9/2024
Hi Daniel,
If a well-worn 12mm Pro Tour was too thick for you, and a new MV/12mm is definitely too thick, then I think your question has a clear answer! The 9mm is still a decently voluminous liner, it is pretty comparable to the stock liner in thickness.
If a well-worn 12mm Pro Tour was too thick for you, and a new MV/12mm is definitely too thick, then I think your question has a clear answer! The 9mm is still a decently voluminous liner, it is pretty comparable to the stock liner in thickness.
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10/8/2024
Hello
I am looking to replace very packed in stock liners from my Scarpa Gea (2021) size 24. I’d also like the thicker 12 mm since I also feel have a lot of space around my calves .
I am thinking I’d need size 24 liners? Do you anticipate this model coming back in stock ?
I am looking to replace very packed in stock liners from my Scarpa Gea (2021) size 24. I’d also like the thicker 12 mm since I also feel have a lot of space around my calves .
I am thinking I’d need size 24 liners? Do you anticipate this model coming back in stock ?
10/8/2024
Hi Madeline,
Scarpa sizes land in between regular sizes, so if you have a 24 Gea, it is possible that you could make the size 23 liner work! However, the 24 will provide a little bit more foam, so you could also wait for that. We do anticipate getting more stock of these in soon!
Scarpa sizes land in between regular sizes, so if you have a 24 Gea, it is possible that you could make the size 23 liner work! However, the 24 will provide a little bit more foam, so you could also wait for that. We do anticipate getting more stock of these in soon!
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9/23/2024
What is an appropriate replacement thickness for a dynafit Radical stock liner? I tend to need to clamp down on the cuff buckles pretty hard in order to get a tight enough fit so I am erring on the side of the 9mm or the 12mm but could use some guidance here.
9/24/2024
Hey Ari, are you just looking for a direct replacement for the Radical Pro liner? If so, we carry those here. For the Intuition Tour Tongue Liner, the 9mm is pretty comparable to what comes stock with the boot, so I would shoot for the 12mm to start. As always, it's recommended also to get these heat molded to get the best shape possible.
9/27/2024
Hey Zak, I find your advice a little confusing. I am looking for an upgrade on my now worn out radical liners are you suggesting the 12mm because the added thickness might make for a better fit than the stock liner (and the 9mm) based on my comment that I seem to have needed added clamping pressure on my cuffs? Maybe you could help me better understand how to interpret the 9/12mm thickness difference. Is that thickness difference everywhere in the liner or is the difference isolated to mostly the cuff area? The lower part of boot is already pretty snug and I am a bit shy about adding more thickness in the lower part of the shell. Sorry if this is stupid and annoying. I am both of those things. Thank you so much for your help and patience!
9/27/2024
Hey Arnold, yes, going with 12mm to take up more room than the Radical Pro liner would give you. Also, yes cuff thickness will vary around the ankle area and cuff when going from the 9/12/15mm Pro Togue liners, and for folks looking to take up general volume, the 12mm tends to be an excellent middle ground after it's molded.
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5/6/2024
Hello! I'm in the Scott Celeste Tour 25.5. I really don't like the tongue on the stock liners (comes up very high and sits awkwardly with a larger calf). They also rub because I don't use any insole (including the stock insole) and there is exposed stitching along the sole. Interested in swapping to intuitions and hoping it may stiffen up the boot a bit too. Do you have any recommendations on size and volume? The boots have been punched out pretty aggressively in the toe box (and liner stretched). Would the 9mm 25 be appropriate? Thank you!
5/6/2024
Hello Jess,
The Intuition liners are nicer or a Lot nicer then most stock liners.
Sounds like you have a wide foot for a 25.5, so you are correct, the 9mm liner would be for you. And 25 is it. They will only change the flex a bit, more then other replacement liners.
The Intuition liners are nicer or a Lot nicer then most stock liners.
Sounds like you have a wide foot for a 25.5, so you are correct, the 9mm liner would be for you. And 25 is it. They will only change the flex a bit, more then other replacement liners.
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5/2/2024
What thickness is the stock F1 liner in a 28? Trying to decide on new liner to stiffen it up a tad. The stock liner fits pretty good, so no real need to take up space. Just need to decide on a mv or lv thickness in the pro tongue.
5/4/2024
Hi Joel,
The LV Tour Tongue would be the best choice - it's similar to the stock thickness. The MV would be much thicker, probably too much for that boot (for most people). I don't think you will gain much stiffness from the switch, but maybe a little.
The LV Tour Tongue would be the best choice - it's similar to the stock thickness. The MV would be much thicker, probably too much for that boot (for most people). I don't think you will gain much stiffness from the switch, but maybe a little.
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4/15/2024
I wear a size 7.5 women's shoe but am rocking a 23.5 Tecnica Zero G Tour women's boots because my foot is so damn narrow. My toes are always a bit crunched. After the original Tecnica Zero G liners were packed out (in the heel and across the width of my foot), I replaced them with a size 23 Intuition Pro Tour liners (2022-2023 model w/laces). Those are now packed out, and I am looking to replace them. Would you recommend going with size 23 Intuition tour tongue liners? I assume a 24 would not fit into my 23.5 boot (true?), and I am hoping to retain the narrowness across my foot (although I would love more length in my toes!). Any advice is appreciated. Thank you from Seattle! Love your store.
4/15/2024
Hi Emily,
You probably could put a 24 liner in there, but I would lean towards the 23. When you go to a bigger liner in a smaller boot it tightens things up, which can be counterintuitive, but essentially what you're doing is just shoving more material into the boot which will take up more space.
My recommendation if your toes are crunched would be to do an aggressive heat mold of the Intuitions, with the right toe cap (or maybe even two toe caps), to create as much toe space as you can. If that isn't enough, a good boot fitter could add a little bit of room length-wise at the big toe or wherever your pressure point is. The Tecnica Pro Tour/Tour Scout punches pretty easily.
You probably could put a 24 liner in there, but I would lean towards the 23. When you go to a bigger liner in a smaller boot it tightens things up, which can be counterintuitive, but essentially what you're doing is just shoving more material into the boot which will take up more space.
My recommendation if your toes are crunched would be to do an aggressive heat mold of the Intuitions, with the right toe cap (or maybe even two toe caps), to create as much toe space as you can. If that isn't enough, a good boot fitter could add a little bit of room length-wise at the big toe or wherever your pressure point is. The Tecnica Pro Tour/Tour Scout punches pretty easily.
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4/9/2024
What size would I get for Scarpa Maestrale XT 28.0 311mm? what volume? Thanks!
4/10/2024
Hi Josh,
I answered your question on the Pro Tour product page - all the same advice would apply here, as they are essentially the same liner.
I answered your question on the Pro Tour product page - all the same advice would apply here, as they are essentially the same liner.
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4/5/2024
How does the Tour Tongue LV liner compare to the stock liner that comes with the men's Tecnica Zero G Peak boot? Just a little thicker or a lot, especially interested in the cuff area.
Thanks!
Thanks!
4/5/2024
Hi Anna, the tongue in the LV Tour Tongue is a bit thicker than the Zero G Peak liner, but not by too much. The rest of the cuff of the LV Tour Tongue is bulkier and stiffer, though.
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3/19/2024
I am replacing my stock Scarpa Maestrale RS 2.0 liner, and contemplating whether to get 12mm or 15mm. My stock liner worked okay when new, but always felt a bit loose. Now that it compacted a lot 8 years in, it feels very loose. Any advice?
3/19/2024
Hi Matt, the 12mm / Medium Volume is a tad thicker than stock. The 15mm / High Volume are substantially thicker, you'll likely need to mold the 15mm down a fair bit to get them to fit well into your shell.
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3/18/2024
Is the 12mm too much for my Salomon Mtn Summit? I have a wide forefoot and thin ankles and calves. With the stock liner, I’m getting some heel lift and I’m using all available space on the main buckle (cannot pull it any tighter). Would the 9mm also increase volume around the calf and shin vs the stock liner? I’ve got a 2 finger shell fit. Should I consider a 9mm tour wrap (or even a 12)?
Thanks for your time.
Thanks for your time.
3/18/2024
Hi Adam,
I have test fit a 12mm Tour Tongue in that boot, it is doable although it will tighten things up substantially and fill a lot more space. The 9mm Tour Tongue is a bit thicker than the stock liner, it does tighten up the ankle and cuff a little. It isn't as drastic, of course.
You could consider the 9mm Tour Wrap - I think the 12 would be too big. But if you have a snug fit in the forefoot, but a loose fit in the calf area, that is exactly what the wrap liners are good for - they have more padding in the shin compared to a tongue liner and will fill up calf and ankle space. The 9mm Wrap will also give you more breathing room in the forefoot, compared to the 12mm Tongue.
I have test fit a 12mm Tour Tongue in that boot, it is doable although it will tighten things up substantially and fill a lot more space. The 9mm Tour Tongue is a bit thicker than the stock liner, it does tighten up the ankle and cuff a little. It isn't as drastic, of course.
You could consider the 9mm Tour Wrap - I think the 12 would be too big. But if you have a snug fit in the forefoot, but a loose fit in the calf area, that is exactly what the wrap liners are good for - they have more padding in the shin compared to a tongue liner and will fill up calf and ankle space. The 9mm Wrap will also give you more breathing room in the forefoot, compared to the 12mm Tongue.
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3/13/2024
Is this for one liner or is it sold as a pair?
3/13/2024
Hi Jerry, all liners are sold in pairs of left & right.
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3/11/2024
I purchased a pair of 28.5 Dynafit Hoji Free 130 last year after using the first gen Hoji 28.5 for 5 years, my absolute favorite touring boot. So far, I have been disappointed with the new Sidas liners that come with the Free 130s as I feel that they don't have the same fit and responsiveness of the older Hoji liners. I have heat molded them, but find that I have too much wiggle in the heel pocket. I am interested in Intuition Tour Tongue liners based on past experience with Intuition, but am unsure what size or thickness of replacement liners to purchase. I have two fingers for shell fit. I am also curious how these liners compare to the Intuition Pro Tour liners. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
3/13/2024
Hi Mike,
The Tour Tongue is the replacement for the Pro Tour in Intuition's line. There are a few minor differences including a thinner sole and a sewn-in tongue. However, for the most part they are pretty equivalent liners. Both are great Intuition foam that takes a heat mold very well.
Between the two thicknesses, with a two-finger fit I think you will be happier with the 12mm thickness especially if the goal is to tighten things up around the heel. You will need to heat mold it to get a comfortable fit, as it will likely feel tight initially. But they will mold out quite well, as I'm sure you've experienced with Intuitions in the past.
For size, you'll want a 28 liner for your 28/28.5 shell.
The Tour Tongue is the replacement for the Pro Tour in Intuition's line. There are a few minor differences including a thinner sole and a sewn-in tongue. However, for the most part they are pretty equivalent liners. Both are great Intuition foam that takes a heat mold very well.
Between the two thicknesses, with a two-finger fit I think you will be happier with the 12mm thickness especially if the goal is to tighten things up around the heel. You will need to heat mold it to get a comfortable fit, as it will likely feel tight initially. But they will mold out quite well, as I'm sure you've experienced with Intuitions in the past.
For size, you'll want a 28 liner for your 28/28.5 shell.
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2/23/2024
I have K2 Mindbenders 130 (2021) in a 25.5 and the stock liners are pretty packed out after about 100 days on them. I do more downhill resort skiing then touring, but am starting to pick up on my backcountry touring and/or resort uphill days (~10-12 days a season). Would you recommend these Intuition Tour Tongue Liners at size 25 w/ 9mm or 12mm? Or a different replacement liner?
Thanks!
Thanks!
2/23/2024
Caitlin, The Intuitions would be a good replacement liner for those boots. Since they packed and are too roomy now, the 12mm would likely be the one to go with.
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2/22/2024
Hi, I want to replace the liner for my Hawx Prime 110 27/27.5. Would a 9 or 12mm thickness work best for this boot?
2/23/2024
Hi Jim, It depends on your fit in the Prime boots when new. If you have wider feet and they were really tight when new, go with the 9mm.
If they are more then a bit loose on you now, go with the 12mm.
If they are more then a bit loose on you now, go with the 12mm.
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2/19/2024
I ski and tour in Salomon S/LAB MTN (I think 2017 model?) in size 29.5.
I’ve liked the stock liner just fine, but they are ready to be replaced.
I don’t have much room in the 29.5, maybe a finger to a finger and a half in the shell.
Thoughts on replacement liner? I was looking at the Pro Tour…seems very similar to the stock liner(?). Thanks!
I’ve liked the stock liner just fine, but they are ready to be replaced.
I don’t have much room in the 29.5, maybe a finger to a finger and a half in the shell.
Thoughts on replacement liner? I was looking at the Pro Tour…seems very similar to the stock liner(?). Thanks!
2/19/2024
Hi Chris! With both your boot and fit in mind, the 9mm (low volume) would likely be best. I would anticipate having to do a heat mold. After that, you should find the 9mm to be a great replacement. Thanks!
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