Intuition Tour Tongue Liners
Being synonymous with comfort and performance, Intuition has rightfully been atop the leaderboard when it comes to high-quality after-market liners. Taking over from the venerable Pro Tour liner, the Tour Tongue has received subtle design updates that improve upon this already successful formula. As with all Intuition liners, the Tour Tongue is built using a highly customizable foam that when heated, comfortably accommodates many different foot shapes. While the main body of the Tour Tongue uses a moderately compliant dual-density foam, the toebox utilizes a low dual-density foam that aims to provide more comfort during a big day out. Purposefully designed with modern touring boots in mind, the Tour Tongue features a rear flex zone that allows you to capitalize on the impressive range of motion definitive of modern touring boots, allowing you to move quickly and efficiently. Compared to the Pro Tour, the Tour Tongue features a thinner sole thickness, a revised J-bar that allows for better heel hold and ankle support, and a sewn-in tongue for durability. Finally, the Tour Tongue is offered in three thicknesses, allowing you to select the best option for the fit of your boots.
Whether you want to add warmth, performance, or comfort to your existing touring boot, the Tour Tongue is a worthwhile upgrade.
- Fully heat-moldable for a comfortable and individualized fit.
- Low-density foam is strategically used in the toe box, helping provide comfort on big days out.
- Internal J-bar helps to lock down the heel and provide support for bony ankles.
- Rear flex zone allows you to enjoy the excellent range of motion found on modern touring boots.
- Antimicrobial treatment (helps) fight off odor-causing bacteria.
- Included 4mm high-density foam shim allows you to modify liner volume.
- 9mm is low-volume, 12mm is medium volume, and 15mm is high-volume.
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Questions & Reviews
It sounds like you have some shell fit issues! You probably need a punch in the navicular to relieve pressure on that area - I don't think the liners are the cause. With that said, an Intuition Tour Wrap liner doesn't have the seam in that spot.
You probably do want a 12mm liner for that boot, noting that if you go with the wrap, it will fill up more space in the cuff than a tongue-style liner. It may not totally resolve your issue of having a roomy forefoot - all foam liners ultimately pack out, and the only permanent solution is a better-fitting shell. But, it's very possible that it would be snugger for a while.
We do have some in the Intuition Wrap liners
I think most people would want the 12mm in that boot! The 12mm is slightly thicker than the stock liner, so it may feel a bit tight at first, but Intuition liners are designed to be heat molded and can compress significantly once heated up. If you heat mold the 12mm in that boot, I think you'd have a great fit. If you have a very tight shell fit, and/or a very tight fit in the cuff, and want to air on the thin side, then I'd suggest the 9mm.
Are there any concerns about these liners fitting into older Tecnica boots?
No concerns about compatibility with the Pro Tour, even if it's a few years old!
I would recommend the 9mm if you want to ensure that the new liner is not any thicker than the original. The 12mm is definitely a bit thicker than the stock liner - I think after heat molding, it works for many people, but if you have a snug fit in the boot and don't want to add any foam to the cuff or forefoot, then the 9mm is a great way to go!
For this boot and your goals, go with the 12mm. You could also consider the Patriot Footbeds Liner Sleeve to help take up heel/ankle volume and Boot Shims to reduce the space over the top of the foot. Thanks!
I will preface by saying that generally, your shell is too big, and you may have issues even with a thicker liner. With that said, it will probably improve the fit compared to the stock liner, at least temporarily, as it will take up more space. 12mm is more than we would usually recommend in such a light boot, but in this case, it may be appropriate! Be aware that it will be quite a bit thicker than the stock liner everywhere, including in the cuff - if you have bigger calves, it may be too big in that area.
You will want to heat mold the liners for the best fit, especially if going with the 12mm. Thin socks are always best for touring!
This liner could potentially work in a 9mm if you have a fairly loose fit in the boot, but it is a considerable step up in thickness and stiffness. The 12mm and 15mm options would be much too thick. The Palau Alltrack Power might be a better option, as it is also thicker than stock, but walks a little better and isn't quite as burly as the Intuition.
You will want a size 25 liner, most likely in the 9mm thickness! The 12mm is a good thickness for heavier freeride boots which have beefier liners, but is too much for the vast majority of lightweight touring boots. The 9mm liner will still be notably thicker than stock, but more reasonable to use in that boot!
Does this 15mm liner would do the similar job for me? Or what would you recommandation? New boot with better factory fit (eyeing on the ZGTP)? i have the radical at 26.5. If this liner work for me, which size should i pick.
Thanks
In this case, it sounds like your boot just doesn't fit very well! The Radical Pro is quite wide and higher volume, and you have a narrow, low volume foot. Generally, we don't recommend trying to fix shell fit issues with aftermarket liners. It may help in the short term, but all foam liners will pack out with some use, and then you develop slop again. In our opinion, it would be much better to start with a shell that fits your foot. Based on what you've said about your foot shape, the Zero G Pro Tour would be a much better choice.
If you did decide to put an Intuition liner into the Radical Pro and you wanted to take up as much space as physically possible, the 15mm would be the right one, and you'd buy it in your same shell size (26).
Generally you can size down Intuitions for Scarpa boots, because of the sizing - however, with the 24/25 Maestrale in particular, I would go with a 26 liner - that boot runs a full size bigger length-wise than Scarpas traditionally do, so I think the 25 liner would be a bit short.
I would also bear in mind that the stock Scarpa liner that comes with that version of the Maestrale is made by Intuition and is pretty close to the 12mm Tour Tongue. If your current liners are packed out, it would be an improvement, but I don't think it would add a ton of warmth - you'd be better off with heated socks or a boot glove for that purpose.
What thickness liner would you recommend?
and same 28.0 size?
Thanks
Yes, choose a 28 liner for a 28 Tecnica boot! I would recommend the 12mm thickness if you want to take up a bit more space than stock. You'll want to heat mold it for the best fit!
We do not have the stock liner for that boot. I would recommend an Intuition as a replacement, but which one will depend on your fit in the boot. If you have a roomier shell fit, try the 12mm Tour Tongue in size 28 (a Scarpa 27.5 is closer to 28). If you have a tighter shell fit, and don't want to take up too much space, then go with the 9mm.
The answer to your second question is, it will make the boot feel tighter. A thicker liner takes up more space between your foot and the shell, so it reduces the available space that your foot has to move around, and increases compression.
I also have pain in my ankles.
Could Tour Tongue Dual Density 12 mm be the solution?
Thank you
The Tour Tongue 12mm is fairly close to the stock liner in the Maestrale RS, which is also an Intuition product. It would not dramatically change the fit in the boot. If you have not molded your current liners, and you don't have a ton of days on them yet, I would try that first. Generally speaking, fixing shell fit problems with liners is somewhat of a band-aid solution and doesn't always work very well.
For a truly custom fit around the heel and ankle, a Zipfit GFT or injectable Backland Professional liner would offer more customization. Before you invest in these, however, we would highly recommend making sure you are in the correct shell size and shape for your foot.
I'd recommend the 12mm! The 9mm gets pretty close to the fit of the stock liner, whereas the 12mm is noticeably thicker. The 15mm is more than the majority of skiers would want in this boot!
I would go with the 9mm, that will be a bit thicker than the stock liner. You could go with a 12mm as well if you wanted to take up a good bit more space.
I would go with a 9mm Tour Tongue! I think that would be a great drop-in replacement for the stock liner, and pretty comparable in thickness. The 12mm would be too much for most people in this boot.
The 9mm is the closest to the stock liner, but it's a little bit thinner. The 12mm is a good bit thicker. I'd lean towards the 9mm as long as the stock liner wasn't too thin.
The Intuition Tour Tongue would certainly be a suitable replacement! The 9mm is slightly thinner than the stock liner, while the 12mm being thicker. Either are suitable depending on your goals, especially with a heat mold in mind. Being that you may have had some complicated boot fitting work done, send us an email at help@skimo.co and we can dive into the details. Thanks!
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