These stainless steel inserts may actually expand your ski quiver instead of killing it. Properly installed in a ski, they allow you to mount bindings in a removable fashion. Thus, you can have a huge quiver of skis that all use the same binding. Of course, you could also use several bindings on one ski, which may help kill a ski quiver, but just creates a binding quiver. These should be called Quiver Enhancers instead.
To operate a set of QKs, you’ll need to buy one Stainless Insert for each screw hole in your binding. Then make several trips to the hardware store to find metric screws that fit your binding. Alternately, you could buy the pre-packaged fastener kits already known to work with your model (inserts not included). We currently stock kits for Dynafit Superlite, Turn, Radical, Vertical, Comfort, and Beast bindings. We also have kits for other brands include the Plum Guide, Fristchi Vipec, Marker Kingpin, and G3 ION bindings. Each kit comes with the quantity of screws needed to mount a pair of bindings (2 toes and 2 heels). We’re also happy to try and assemble a kit for your needs.
Also available is a Pro Installation Kit that consists of three items: (1) a specially machined drill bit that stops at the proper depth for an insert, (2) a tap to cut a thread into the ski that matches the outer pitch of the inserts, and (3) an installation tool that allows you to screw the inserts in and then back the tool out. You can also buy each item individually, listed as "Step Drill Bit, Bottom Tap, and Installation Tool".
Finally, you can use Vibra-Tite thread locker if you don't plan on swapping bindings often. The 5ml bottles will lock the fasteners into the inserts.
I have these in all of my skis and I think they are great. Very easy to swap bindings between skis which saves a lot of $$. Also allows easy use of a spare heel or toe in the field (provided of course the spare has the same hole pattern).
I use a drill press for cutting the holes and guiding the tap and have not had any trouble installing dozens of them. I use either 5 or 15 minute epoxy with the 15 min being easier to work with.
Given their price ($16 per ski) I extract them before throwing away old skis. I use a heat gun to soften the epoxy then a double nutted screw to back them out. They are easy to clean and re-use.
Hi, could you please specify exactly what kind of bolts comes in the Dynafit Speed Radical Fastener Kit and also in the Dynafit Radical ST/FT Fastener Kit? I’d like to know the exact type, diameter and lengths of the bolts in these kits. Thank you!
Hi Fedor, they are M5s with Phillips or Torx heads.
Given the slight curvature of the top surface of the Dynafit TLT Expedition heels, is there an appreciable structural weakness in the binding system when the expedition heel is attached into the inserts provided on your site? The base of the heel sits flat on any top sheet and all the manufacturer provided mounting screws have the same countersunk head for both toe and heel pieces. Would the right size countersunk machine screws provide relatively the same degree of retention when quiver killed in a ski as the factory provided mounting screws?
Hi Robert, there is not a retention issue if the QKs are mounted straight. However, if you screwed your Expedition heel into perfectly vertical QKs it will put localized stress on the angled base, raising the possibility of cracking it. If you mount the heels while the QK epoxy is setting, forcing them off vertical, it would reduce this stress while possibly reducing pull-out strength and contaminating the threads with epoxy. It's likely to be OK, just not something we would recommend.
Do you have screws that would work with Ski Trab Titan Vario toes? I couldn't find any with small enough heads at the hardware store. Thanks!
Hey Lane, that's understandable you couldn't find stock hardware store screws that fit! We are typically using 14mm Torx head screws and shaving them down. If you'd like us to put together a Quiver Killer screw set for your bindings, feel free to reach out to us by email and we can put an order together!
do you guys have any info about installing inserts on voile hyper series skis? i see that it voids the warranty and have read on some forums that the hyper series might have specific issues with inserts--curious if you know anything about this and if you'd advise against using inserts on voile hyper series skis.
Emily, I do not know why Voile doesn't recommend QK in their skis.
Hey Emily, my perception is that the prohibition on inserts in the Hyper series has more to do with what "could" happen than what "will" happen. If the metal insert sleeve was too deep for the thickness of the ski (which may be more of an issue with Binding Freedom-branded inserts that are 0.5mm taller than the Quiver Killer inserts) you may run into issues with tapping the holes and creating deformities in the core, or even the base of the ski. Personally, I've been using QK inserts in my Hyper V8s for a season-plus now and haven't had even a shadow of an issue with them. If anything, they seem to provide an extra level of security in a non-metal-reinforced mounting plate! That said, the thickness of the V8 mounting position may vary compared with the other skis in the line.
ah ha... thanks. that is super helpful. the skis i was thinking about QK'ing are hyper V8s and hyper vectors so it seems like that should work in theory..
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Now that I finally got light tech boots - Looking to upgrade my rusty (not so rusty actually), trusty Marker F10 bindings for either the Hagan Pure or Dynafit ST Rotation bindings (that is the advice I got from you guys). I have a pair of fat Atomic skis and a pair of super light Movement skis. The Atomics have an old pair of Alpine bindings and the Movements have the F10 bindings. Would be great if I could use both these skis with my shiny new bindings depending on what Im doing. I will probably have to redrill both skis to mount the tech bindings so it would seem to make sense to mount these when I do.
Question 1 - does this sound like a good option? Question 2 - do you have kits for the Hagan Pure and Dynafit ST Rotations?
Have to be frugal to feed my ski habit and get the most out of my gear!
Thanks so much.
Hey Joelle! Thanks for reaching out. Quiver Killers are a great option if you are working with limited funds but want to get the most out of your kit! We don't have fastener kits for either of the bindings you've mentioned, but could put together a collection of screws for you that would work with whichever you choose. Reach out to firstname.lastname@example.org for a more in-depth conversation!
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I'm hoping to use quiver killers with Hagan Ultra heels, but these would be mounted atop a riser plate, so I would need the screws to be longer. Are there options for longer screws, say somewhere between 5 mm and 10 mm longer than the quiver killer screws that you would normally use with the Hagan Ultra heel?
Yann, We can figure it out for you. Tell us which riser plate you are using. Contact us at email@example.com
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Is their a kit for the atomic shift binding?
Hey CJ, we do not have any quiver killer kits for the Shift, my apologies.
I am trying to order some quiver killers today, but seems like it running out stock, when do you think will be available again in the future?
Hi Liming, we get these in on a fairly regular basis. If you reply with your needs, we can tell what to expect. Thanks!
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What quiver killer do I get for the Dynafit superlite 2.0 white?
Hi Nick, we are currently out of stock of the Superlite white kits, they have specially ground heads to seat well in the Superlite feet. You could likely get standard M5 screws to fit with some modification.
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which quiver killer set will work with BD helio bindings?
I was initially a big fan of QKs. Switching bindings around with a minimal weight penalty seemed like a great idea, and most importantly it allowed me to field a larger quiver for a similar cost.
I have been disappointed at how easily the screws work themselves loose as of late. Using the weakest of the three locktite strengths the screws still work themselves loose in tech toes pieces while skinning. Perhaps this is a matter of using a stronger locktite, but I'm wary of of this because the entire purpose is to remove and install the screws easily.
If you do end up installing quiver killers make sure to carry a leatherman, or some such capable of tightening the screws, on long days.
Given that we use lightweight gear in remote places, these are a no-brainer. Less likely to pull out than traditional screws, and easier to swap out a binding piece that is damaged. Buy a few extra to practice on with a 2x4. Definitely soak them in degreaser (then dry) before installing. And use epoxy rather than wood glue.
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What is all included in the Pro Installation Kit?
Hey Duncan! Here's the text copied from the description: Pro Installation Kit that consists of three items: (1) a specially machined drill bit that stops at the proper depth for an insert, (2) a tap to cut a thread into the ski that matches the outer pitch of the inserts, and (3) an installation tool that allows you to screw the inserts in and then back the tool out. You can also buy each item individually, listed as "Step Drill Bit, Bottom Tap, and Installation Tool".