These stainless steel inserts may actually expand your ski quiver instead of killing it. Properly installed in a ski, they allow you to mount bindings in a removable fashion. Thus, you can have a huge quiver of skis that all use the same binding. Of course, you could also use several bindings on one ski, which may help kill a ski quiver, but just creates a binding quiver. These should be called Quiver Enhancers instead.
To operate a set of QKs, you’ll need to buy one Stainless Insert for each screw hole in your binding. Then make several trips to the hardware store to find metric screws that fit your binding. Alternately, you could buy the pre-packaged fastener kits already known to work with your model (inserts not included). We currently stock kits for Dynafit Superlite, Turn, Radical, Vertical, Comfort, and Beast bindings. We also have kits for other brands include the Plum Guide, Fristchi Vipec, Marker Kingpin, La Sportiva RT and G3 ION bindings. Each kit comes with the quantity of screws needed to mount a pair of bindings (2 toes and 2 heels). We’re also happy to try and assemble a kit for your needs.
Also available is a Pro Installation Kit that consists of three items: (1) a specially machined drill bit that stops at the proper depth for an insert, (2) a tap to cut a thread into the ski that matches the outer pitch of the inserts, and (3) an installation tool that allows you to screw the inserts in and then back the tool out. You can also buy each item individually, listed as "Step Drill Bit, Bottom Tap, and Installation Tool".
Finally, you can use Vibra-Tite thread locker if you don't plan on swapping bindings often. The 5ml bottles will lock the fasteners into the inserts.
do you guys have any info about installing inserts on voile hyper series skis? i see that it voids the warranty and have read on some forums that the hyper series might have specific issues with inserts--curious if you know anything about this and if you'd advise against using inserts on voile hyper series skis.
Hey Emily, my perception is that the prohibition on inserts in the Hyper series has more to do with what "could" happen than what "will" happen. If the metal insert sleeve was too deep for the thickness of the ski (which may be more of an issue with Binding Freedom-branded inserts that are 0.5mm taller than the Quiver Killer inserts) you may run into issues with tapping the holes and creating deformities in the core, or even the base of the ski. Personally, I've been using QK inserts in my Hyper V8s for a season-plus now and haven't had even a shadow of an issue with them. If anything, they seem to provide an extra level of security in a non-metal-reinforced mounting plate! That said, the thickness of the V8 mounting position may vary compared with the other skis in the line.
ah ha... thanks. that is super helpful. the skis i was thinking about QK'ing are hyper V8s and hyper vectors so it seems like that should work in theory..
Now that I finally got light tech boots - Looking to upgrade my rusty (not so rusty actually), trusty Marker F10 bindings for either the Hagan Pure or Dynafit ST Rotation bindings (that is the advice I got from you guys). I have a pair of fat Atomic skis and a pair of super light Movement skis. The Atomics have an old pair of Alpine bindings and the Movements have the F10 bindings. Would be great if I could use both these skis with my shiny new bindings depending on what Im doing. I will probably have to redrill both skis to mount the tech bindings so it would seem to make sense to mount these when I do.
Question 1 - does this sound like a good option? Question 2 - do you have kits for the Hagan Pure and Dynafit ST Rotations?
Have to be frugal to feed my ski habit and get the most out of my gear!
Hey Joelle! Thanks for reaching out. Quiver Killers are a great option if you are working with limited funds but want to get the most out of your kit! We don't have fastener kits for either of the bindings you've mentioned, but could put together a collection of screws for you that would work with whichever you choose. Reach out to firstname.lastname@example.org for a more in-depth conversation!
I'm hoping to use quiver killers with Hagan Ultra heels, but these would be mounted atop a riser plate, so I would need the screws to be longer. Are there options for longer screws, say somewhere between 5 mm and 10 mm longer than the quiver killer screws that you would normally use with the Hagan Ultra heel?
Hi Nick, we are currently out of stock of the Superlite white kits, they have specially ground heads to seat well in the Superlite feet. You could likely get standard M5 screws to fit with some modification.
I was initially a big fan of QKs. Switching bindings around with a minimal weight penalty seemed like a great idea, and most importantly it allowed me to field a larger quiver for a similar cost.
I have been disappointed at how easily the screws work themselves loose as of late. Using the weakest of the three locktite strengths the screws still work themselves loose in tech toes pieces while skinning. Perhaps this is a matter of using a stronger locktite, but I'm wary of of this because the entire purpose is to remove and install the screws easily.
If you do end up installing quiver killers make sure to carry a leatherman, or some such capable of tightening the screws, on long days.
Given that we use lightweight gear in remote places, these are a no-brainer. Less likely to pull out than traditional screws, and easier to swap out a binding piece that is damaged. Buy a few extra to practice on with a 2x4. Definitely soak them in degreaser (then dry) before installing. And use epoxy rather than wood glue.
Hey Duncan! Here's the text copied from the description: Pro Installation Kit that consists of three items: (1) a specially machined drill bit that stops at the proper depth for an insert, (2) a tap to cut a thread into the ski that matches the outer pitch of the inserts, and (3) an installation tool that allows you to screw the inserts in and then back the tool out. You can also buy each item individually, listed as "Step Drill Bit, Bottom Tap, and Installation Tool".
Hey Eric! Thanks for reaching out! Nope, the inserts take a machine thread and the screws that shipped with the Griffon should be wood screws. If you're looking to buy a kit then you'll definitely have to get the inserts, machine screws for the toes and heels (keep in mind those are pretty regularly two different sizes), and also an installation kit unless you're going to have a shop do it!
Hey Cali. Absolutely, though you may run into some hole pattern issues depending on if the ski has been mounted before. If you got the installation kit, a Speed Turn Fastener kit, and 34 inserts (for the Duke's 9 hole pattern) that should do it. Keep in mind, putting 17 large holes into each ski has a lot of potential to weaken it and isn't necessarily recommended, but as long as there is enough space between each insert this could be a very fun project. What ski is this going on?