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B&D Ultimate Cuff Pivot

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Cuff pivot points are a typical wear point on alpine touring ski boots. Constant motion around the pivots causes friction that can slowly erode the surrounding material. This eventually leads to some play around the pivots, which can make skiing less precise. B&D Ski Gear has come through with a solution to this problem in the form of metal-on-metal pivots that are hardy enough to withstand the rigors of daily ski touring. Called Ultimate, the Cuff Pivots are designed specifically for the Dynafit TLT5, TLT6, and SpeedFit boots, but are also known to work on the DyNA Evo, PDG, and other boots with the same size cuff joint. More recently a version for the Vulcan was added with specifications that match that boot.

The kits come with hardware for two boots, left and right. They allow nearly friction-free ankle rotation, even less than the stock pivots. This means you’ll save a bit of energy on the uphill. There are two basic models with identical specifications, detailed below. In theory the standard model (stainless steel) is more robust but the ultralights (aluminum) seem to last forever as well. Also available are oversized bushings for heavily-worn cuffs and a spanner tool which helps with installation. For complete instructions, see the helpful post on WildSnow.

Note: Kits do not come with Spanner Tool.

Model Weight
Standard 34g (1.2oz)
Ultralight 17g (0.6oz)
Vulcan 37g (1.3oz)

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Questions & Reviews

Question from CDB
Any idea if these would work with Dynafit DNAs?
Answer from Emmett I
Hello CDB, They won't work. These are for basically 10 yr old models. The DNA boot is much different.
Answer from CDB
Is it possible that I can modify the shell to make these work, or is the internal diameter different? The assembly looks similar. I would love to find a solution to my sloppy DNA pivots.
Answer from Emmett I
Hmm, I wouldn't expect to be able to modify the shell much to get them to fit. Tricky stuff with tight tolerances. We do have stock pivot replacements here, that should help if it's the pivot that's worn out, not the actual cuff.
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Question from Samuel
What is the inside diameter of the ultralight cuff pivot? I am designing a seat that pivots and I need to know the dimensions of this part for my CAD model.
Answer from Niko M
Hi Samuel! The inside diameter is 6mm. Thanks!
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Question from Brian B
I'm hoping to find out if anyone has had success using this kit on the black PDG 2. My cuffs are pretty sloppy but I'd rather not drill the rivets out only to find out that the kit won't work. Any firsthand knowledge?
Answer from Emmett I

I talked to our techs, they're pretty confident that they've done it in the past. Almost all cuff pivots are cross-compatible. That said, I don't have a specific reference of it working so I can't say with 100 percent confidence.
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Question from Brian B
Does this kit work on the black PDG 2? Mine have a fair amount of play but are otherwise great.
Answer from Jeff
Here is our Shop Techs reply from below
Hi Constantine, they aren't made for the TLT8's, but after doing some measuring it looks like the B&D pivots could work with a little modification. I would recommend getting the oversize pivots and then sanding down the outside of the black plastic bushing until it fits snugly into the hole. You could also get the standard size and then order just the oversized bushings if you're not satisfied with the fit/performance.
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Question from justin wilcox
Any idea if you could put these in Tecnica Zero Gs? I have a ton of slop, you've pressed my cuff rivets twice but the second time (last month) it didn't do any good.
Answer from Jeff
Hey Justin, A frequently asked question for a variety of boots. Can't answer, since we don't know the diameter of the holes for the cuff pivots in boots. The pivots on the ZG boots is a press fit, not removable. The bushing diameter is 12.5mm. Then there is hole diameter and thickness of the cuff to consider too.
Answer from Bruce A
Anyone have some trashed ZG boots to give this a try? Mine look new except cuff rivets are sloppy Joe.
Answer from EAMONN K
Would love to know if anyone has successfully used these on a Zero G
Answer from Alex F
I second this!!! Would love to know if they work for Zero G
Answer from Tom J
Thirded, I would love to replace my zero G scout cuff pivots
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Question from Pat
Has anyone tried putting the vulcan pivots into a La Sportiva Skorpius? I’m getting some slop after a season and would love to make these work.
Answer from jbo
Hi Pat, we have not tried that operation, but maybe someone out there has?
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Question from Travis
B&D sent me your way. Long shot, but any chance you have success installing these on Scarpa Maestrale generation boots? My Terminator X Telemark boots have some play in the cuff at the bushings, and an upgrade would feel really good in these tired boots. I imagine the Terminator series uses the same bushings as some of their AT boot brethren.
Answer from Jeff
Travis, These cuff pivots are designed for specific (older) Dynafit boots. Not generic.
Those pivot parts are still available from Scarpa.
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Question from Constantine
Any idea whether these might work on a TLT8 Carbonio?
Answer from Will McD
Hi Constantine, they aren't made for the TLT8's, but after doing some measuring it looks like the B&D pivots could work with a little modification. I would recommend getting the oversize pivots and then sanding down the outside of the black plastic bushing until it fits snugly into the hole. You could also get the standard size and then order just the oversized bushings if you're not satisfied with the fit/performance.
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Question from Eric A
I've got the same deal, maybe 1.3mm play (measured) in the carbon upper cuff of my TLT6 Performance. Is the oversize bushing what is recommended?
Answer from Brett S
Thanks for reaching out, Eric. It sounds like you're a good candidate for the oversized bushing. In particular, you'll select the "standard - oversized" and "oversized bushings" from the drop-down menu above. If your cuff is ovalized, it may be helpful to round the hole to the diameter of the pivot before installing the kit. Please let us know if you have any other questions!
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Valeriy K (used product regularly)
[ver. Vulcan] Replaced sloppy rivets on 8-years old Vulcans.
Worked out perfectly as described.

As for the installation procedure itself.
The most hard and time consuming operation was old rivets removing: drill through metallic rivet axle, carve and pry it out without damaging soft Grilamid plastic clog.

There was some noticable play on the carbon cuff/delrin bushing interface (all four rivets, like small fraction of millimiter gap) but resolved with a touch of thick metal filled epoxy ($25 for the set of four plastic washers - sounds rediculous to me).

Actually ordered but found no use for the "Spanner tool" - for the installation at least - as the T-nut press-fit and its internal grooves grab that plastic shell so tightly, that I had no chance to crank it while tightening the cap screw.
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Riff (downright abused product)
I’ve put over a hundred days on these, installed on a pair of TLT6’s. They were fairly simple to install, provided you are comfortable doing small modifications to the lower shell of the boot. You need to use a razor knife to remove a shoulder molded into the pivot location on the shell. Once that’s done the rest is very simple. Not only did they eliminate the amount of slop and play in the pivot, they also move much more freely than the stock pivots. All decent walking boots should have a pivot like this! After two seasons, they have a bit of wear on the bushings but absolutely way better than stock pivots.
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Question from Riff
I don't see the oversized bushings on the drop down menu, are they still available?
Also, the pin spanner is offered as an extra- I read on wildsnow that it was included, do I need to purchase it separately now?

Thanks for having all the little bits and pieces that nobody else carries!
Answer from Jeff
Riff, sorry, we are out of all but the Vulcan. B&D is currently moving and not shipping, so we don't know when we will get more product. Hopefully by ski season.
I looked, the spanner is not included in our kits.
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Question from brendan
When will you have the aluminum version back in stock, and what is the price?
How can I tell if I need the oversized bushings?
Answer from Jeff
Brendan, sorry but we do not know right now. The Ultralight is $110. If there is more then just a little play of the cuff on the pivot, time to change to the oversize.
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Question from Anthony O
Does this work for the pdg 2?
Answer from eric
Anthony- We have not tried the cuff pivot on the PDG2. It's still too new of a boot.
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Question from Chris Cawley
Hi skimo,

Can anyone who's performed this modification describe how long it takes to do all four pivots?

Answer from Teddy Young
Drilling out the stock pivots can take a while, but maybe about an hour if you’re good and know what you’re doing!
Answer from Chris C
hey you guys,

So I purchased and installed the pivot kit and mostly the boots are improved. However, after being in Chamonix all last week, I removed my boots from my checked baggage and found that I'd already lost a machine screw/washer somewhere along the way. Would you sell just a single pivot's worth of parts from on of these kits????
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Question from Brendan
Once installed, will these eliminate further wear of the pivot holes of the boot?
Answer from Nate
Hi Brendan, yes, when installed properly these pivots will prevent further wear of the pivot holes of the boot.
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Question from Andy K
Hi, my PDG's have a cuff joint that has between a half and 1 mm of wear (maybe more by the time this kit arrives). So do I need to order the oversize bushing set?
Answer from Trace Leches
Hey Andy! Bummer. Yeah, I think that the oversized kit is probably worth trying but it's tough to assume anything without seeing exactly how they've worn. I'd say order it and if it's not needed, send it back and we'll get you the other one.
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Question from Elliot
Any word if these will work for the older version Maestrales? Or which product I should get as a replacement part?
Answer from Trace Leches
Hey Elliot! I don't think we have ever tried that combo before. We haven't carried a ton of parts for the Maestrale in the past and I think the biggest spot that we're lacking is hardware for the first gen Maestrale. We do have parts here and there though, and parts of the pivot can be found here.
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Question from David
Any idea if these will work on La Sportiva Sideral 2.1s? The pivots seem like they will work and look similar to TLTs.
Answer from Nate
Hi David, we have not ever tried these on the Sideral 2.1 so we cannot say. It may be worth contacting B&D directly to see if they have any knowledge of the compatibility.
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Question from Tim
My pivots on Salomon x-alp have started to wear down. Could these fit?
Answer from Trace Leches
Hey Tim! Your guess is as good as ours, the pivots on the X-Alp/Proclines haven't been made available as a spare part so who knows if these will work or not. The safe bet is that no, they won't work.
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