Hello! I have a pair of Lange XT3 130 in size 26.5. I have had them for one year and the don't fit has tight as I would like. There is too much room particularly in the instep and front of my ankle, which allows for my foot to shift forward and up into the boot. The actual length of the boot is correct. I have added a 4mm sole and some padding on back of the liner to try to correct this issue. It is better, but not where I want it to be. I was thinking of ordering the 26 Tour Tonge in 15mm to take up the extra volume.
Do this seem like a good approach?
Thanks!
Intuition Tour Tongue Liners
Being synonymous with comfort and performance, Intuition has rightfully been atop the leaderboard when it comes to high-quality after-market liners. Taking over from the venerable Pro Tour liner, the Tour Tongue has received subtle design updates that improve upon this already successful formula. As with all Intuition liners, the Tour Tongue is built using a highly customizable foam that when heated, comfortably accommodates many different foot shapes. While the main body of the Tour Tongue uses a moderately compliant dual-density foam, the toebox utilizes a low dual-density foam that aims to provide more comfort during a big day out. Purposefully designed with modern touring boots in mind, the Tour Tongue features a rear flex zone that allows you to capitalize on the impressive range of motion definitive of modern touring boots, allowing you to move quickly and efficiently. Compared to the Pro Tour, the Tour Tongue features a thinner sole thickness, a revised J-bar that allows for better heel hold and ankle support, and a sewn-in tongue for durability. Finally, the Tour Tongue is offered in three thicknesses, allowing you to select the best option for the fit of your boots.
Whether you want to add warmth, performance, or comfort to your existing touring boot, the Tour Tongue is a worthwhile upgrade.
- Fully heat-moldable for a comfortable and individualized fit.
- Low-density foam is strategically used in the toe box, helping provide comfort on big days out.
- Internal J-bar helps to lock down the heel and provide support for bony ankles.
- Rear flex zone allows you to enjoy the excellent range of motion found on modern touring boots.
- Antimicrobial treatment (helps) fight off odor-causing bacteria.
- Included 4mm high-density foam shim allows you to modify liner volume.
- 9mm is low-volume, 12mm is medium volume, and 15mm is high-volume.
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12/27/2023
12/27/2023
Hi Anthony,
Yes, but depending on how narrow your foot is, I might err on the side of caution and try the 12mm; most stock liners don't run as high as 12mm, and sit around 8mm, so if you need 'a bit' more volume, 12mm might do it.
If you think you really need that extra volume and will just wait for it to pack out or liner mold, then go for 15mm.
Yes, but depending on how narrow your foot is, I might err on the side of caution and try the 12mm; most stock liners don't run as high as 12mm, and sit around 8mm, so if you need 'a bit' more volume, 12mm might do it.
If you think you really need that extra volume and will just wait for it to pack out or liner mold, then go for 15mm.
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12/13/2023
Hi,
I have a pair of Technica Cochise 95w's. I was fitted for women's boots as they fit my ankles and instep better. I'd like to get a new boot, but don't want to spend that much at the moment. My two main issues are:
1) The liners have packed out and I have space over the instep
2) I want a stiffer boot. These are stiffer than most 95 flex boots I've tried, probably close to a 105 men's flex, but I'd like a boot with less give.
I ski about 60% touring, 40% resort. Would these liners be a good choice for my use?
I have a pair of Technica Cochise 95w's. I was fitted for women's boots as they fit my ankles and instep better. I'd like to get a new boot, but don't want to spend that much at the moment. My two main issues are:
1) The liners have packed out and I have space over the instep
2) I want a stiffer boot. These are stiffer than most 95 flex boots I've tried, probably close to a 105 men's flex, but I'd like a boot with less give.
I ski about 60% touring, 40% resort. Would these liners be a good choice for my use?
12/13/2023
Hi Quinton,
To help decreasing volume over the instep, if it won't ruin the fit at the heel and ankle, I would try thicker footbeds or a shim to lift you up a little bit in the shell, decreasing the volume above your foot. This is a cheaper and sometimes better fix than new liners. However, a thicker liner may help take up some of that space (although all liners pack out). If your liners are more than ~50-60 ski days old, and only recently got bad, then new liners are in order. If they packed out to be too loose within 10 days or so, new liners may not fare much better. To take up more space, go with the medium or high volume thickness in these (12mm or 15mm). I would only go 15mm if you also need to take up space in the cuff.
I don't think these would add a significant amount of stiffness over the stock Cochise liner. Maybe a little. But it won't change the flex of the boot dramatically. Ultimately, your problems will best be solved by shells that fit your foot better and are an appropriate flex. But hopefully with some footbeds/shims you can improve the fit of the current boots so that they are a more secure fit.
To help decreasing volume over the instep, if it won't ruin the fit at the heel and ankle, I would try thicker footbeds or a shim to lift you up a little bit in the shell, decreasing the volume above your foot. This is a cheaper and sometimes better fix than new liners. However, a thicker liner may help take up some of that space (although all liners pack out). If your liners are more than ~50-60 ski days old, and only recently got bad, then new liners are in order. If they packed out to be too loose within 10 days or so, new liners may not fare much better. To take up more space, go with the medium or high volume thickness in these (12mm or 15mm). I would only go 15mm if you also need to take up space in the cuff.
I don't think these would add a significant amount of stiffness over the stock Cochise liner. Maybe a little. But it won't change the flex of the boot dramatically. Ultimately, your problems will best be solved by shells that fit your foot better and are an appropriate flex. But hopefully with some footbeds/shims you can improve the fit of the current boots so that they are a more secure fit.
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12/10/2023
I'm considering using a set of these to take up some volume in the lowers of my Tecnica peak carbons. I have a pretty low volume foot and am wondering if the 12 or 15 mm thickness would work better. I was swimming in them my first day out even with the buckle cranked all the way down and was using footbeds plus the little volume filler insert that came with the boot.
Any suggestions there? Thanks!
Any suggestions there? Thanks!
12/11/2023
Hi Allen, sounds like the thicker 15mm would work better for you given the amount of space you need to fill. It'll be important to get a heat mold to ensure the liner fits well into the boot shell and your foot into the liner. Note that the liner will pack out over time, and it sounds like the shells might just be too voluminous for your feet. Feel free to reach out to us at help@skimo.co if you'd like to get into more details!
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12/9/2023
Hi Skimo team
Slightly confused here, this replacement of the pro tour looks a LOT heavier? It says 530gr ish while it used to be 300gr ish? Can you confirm that?
Slightly confused here, this replacement of the pro tour looks a LOT heavier? It says 530gr ish while it used to be 300gr ish? Can you confirm that?
12/9/2023
Hi Nico,
We've gotten this question before, I think the published weights from Intuition must be off. I recently weighed a pair of 26 liners from both the older Pro Tours and the new Tour Tongues, in the same volume. The Tour Tongues were only 10 grams heavier in the same size. So there is very little weight difference between them.
We've gotten this question before, I think the published weights from Intuition must be off. I recently weighed a pair of 26 liners from both the older Pro Tours and the new Tour Tongues, in the same volume. The Tour Tongues were only 10 grams heavier in the same size. So there is very little weight difference between them.
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12/2/2023
I have been using a 26 La Sportiva Skorpius with Tour Wraps for a while; they’re great, but a little short causing toenail losses on long traverses. I’ve chosen to go up to a 27 and I’m debating whether to go with a Tour Wrap in a 27 or try these new Tour Tongues. I would like the reported slightly better walking range of the tongue liners, but I’m not entirely sure of what thickness to get. I want the boots as warm as possible, so the medium or high volume is the debate- will the thinner sole affect the fit enough to consider the thicker liner, or render them colder than Tour Wraps?
Thanks!
Thanks!
12/3/2023
Hi Riff,
Just to be clear, are you planning on going to a size 27 Skorpius shell, or staying with the 26? If you're staying with the 26 shell, a larger liner size will actually make the boot tighter, by adding more material to the shell. So I would not size up the liner without also sizing up the shell.
The Tour Tongues will walk better than the Tour Wrap. I would only consider the Low or Medium volume in the Skorpius - high would be too thick for that boot. Honestly, my inclination would be to go with the low volumes for that boot, given that it is a pretty low volume shell with a small cuff. Warmth is partially about insulation, but also about how tight your feet are being squeezed in the boot. Too tight a fit can limit circulation leading to cold feet. That said, if you've been making the Wraps work, the medium volume Tour Tongue should be doable.
The best way to create more room in the toes will be to use a thick toe cap during the heat mold - we always recommend heat molding all Intuition liners before use due to the dense, but very moldable foam that they use.
Just to be clear, are you planning on going to a size 27 Skorpius shell, or staying with the 26? If you're staying with the 26 shell, a larger liner size will actually make the boot tighter, by adding more material to the shell. So I would not size up the liner without also sizing up the shell.
The Tour Tongues will walk better than the Tour Wrap. I would only consider the Low or Medium volume in the Skorpius - high would be too thick for that boot. Honestly, my inclination would be to go with the low volumes for that boot, given that it is a pretty low volume shell with a small cuff. Warmth is partially about insulation, but also about how tight your feet are being squeezed in the boot. Too tight a fit can limit circulation leading to cold feet. That said, if you've been making the Wraps work, the medium volume Tour Tongue should be doable.
The best way to create more room in the toes will be to use a thick toe cap during the heat mold - we always recommend heat molding all Intuition liners before use due to the dense, but very moldable foam that they use.
12/3/2023
Sorry for the confusion- I’m using a 27 Skorpius now. Sounds like the medium volume is the best bet, thanks!
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12/2/2023
I'm looking into replacing my stock liners in my Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD's and these are on the table. They look great, but I'm not sure which thickness to choose. My feet are obnoxiously skinny and even the 97mm last of the hawx has a little side-to-side wiggle. It's a low volume boot, so I'd assume the normal recommendation is the 9mm liners. Would going up in the liner thickness help take up a little space in the boots, or would the thicker liners cause some awkward buckling of the liner in the shell? Should I just hope the shim does the job with the 9mm's?
12/2/2023
Hi Morgan,
We would recommend the medium (12mm) thickness to take up more space in the boot, unless you have wider calves and have a tight fit in the cuff of the boot that couldn't accommodate a thicker tongue and upper cuff. The 9mm may be an improvement over stock, but I don't think the 12mm will be too thick for the lower of the boot and it will tighten the boots up more. Like any Intuition, you will need to heat mold it for the ideal fit.
We would recommend the medium (12mm) thickness to take up more space in the boot, unless you have wider calves and have a tight fit in the cuff of the boot that couldn't accommodate a thicker tongue and upper cuff. The 9mm may be an improvement over stock, but I don't think the 12mm will be too thick for the lower of the boot and it will tighten the boots up more. Like any Intuition, you will need to heat mold it for the ideal fit.
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I made the upgrade from the venerable Pro tour to the new model and have found them to be an overall upgrade. They walk much better than the older model. I had the LV in the older and was able to use the MV or regular thickness in the new ones and they have the same if not better walkability than the old model. Additionally, the "grippys" on the bottom of the liner are a nice addition, ensuring a secure fit in the boot.
My only gripe is the lacing system, I wish they would find a way to have the loop at the top have a "home". In between transitions the loop will jus the dangling next to my boot or in the snow. and while not a terrible thing, it is annoying.
overall a great aftermarket liner.
My only gripe is the lacing system, I wish they would find a way to have the loop at the top have a "home". In between transitions the loop will jus the dangling next to my boot or in the snow. and while not a terrible thing, it is annoying.
overall a great aftermarket liner.
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11/16/2023
do you think the lv would fit into a scarpa f1 lt/gt/xt? would it give a bit of a boost to downhill performance over stock liner? Guessing that skinning range of motion would take a hit.
11/16/2023
Hi Tony,
It would physically fit, I just tried it. You would need to round down the size on the whole number, i.e. for a 26.0 Scarpa you would use a 25 Tour Tongue liner. This is due to Scarpa sizing breaking on the half size. While these liners do fit into the GT/XT/LT shell, they create a very snug fit, even in the LV. With a heat mold, I think you could get a good fit. But as you guessed, they will definitely stiffen up the walk mode substantially, and I'm not convinced the downhill performance would get that much better if the stock liner fits you well. The main benefit, I think, would be for someone with exceptionally skinny calves and ankles, who wants a tighter fit in the cuff and is okay with compromising the walk mode to get it. But for most, I wouldn't recommend it. The best liner for the more uphill-oriented Scarpa boots is usually the stock liner, which is made by Intuition and very high quality, and I think that holds true in these boots for most people.
It would physically fit, I just tried it. You would need to round down the size on the whole number, i.e. for a 26.0 Scarpa you would use a 25 Tour Tongue liner. This is due to Scarpa sizing breaking on the half size. While these liners do fit into the GT/XT/LT shell, they create a very snug fit, even in the LV. With a heat mold, I think you could get a good fit. But as you guessed, they will definitely stiffen up the walk mode substantially, and I'm not convinced the downhill performance would get that much better if the stock liner fits you well. The main benefit, I think, would be for someone with exceptionally skinny calves and ankles, who wants a tighter fit in the cuff and is okay with compromising the walk mode to get it. But for most, I wouldn't recommend it. The best liner for the more uphill-oriented Scarpa boots is usually the stock liner, which is made by Intuition and very high quality, and I think that holds true in these boots for most people.
11/25/2023
Hi Tony,
I put some of these bad boys into my f1xts. I have found them really enjoyable and improved the fit for me. I echo Carlos in that I do downside them (27 liner in 28 boots) It does take some walkability away, but I now have 5 tours in them (about 25 hours in them) and they are getting better every tour. Not sure if that is a good or bad sign. On the down I feel that they have made them ski in a class above. That may be because the boots are that good but I have to give some credit to the liner. Overall, I recommend the upgrade, I did the same in F1Lts with the last gen Intuition liner to the same result.
I put some of these bad boys into my f1xts. I have found them really enjoyable and improved the fit for me. I echo Carlos in that I do downside them (27 liner in 28 boots) It does take some walkability away, but I now have 5 tours in them (about 25 hours in them) and they are getting better every tour. Not sure if that is a good or bad sign. On the down I feel that they have made them ski in a class above. That may be because the boots are that good but I have to give some credit to the liner. Overall, I recommend the upgrade, I did the same in F1Lts with the last gen Intuition liner to the same result.
11/28/2023
Bruno—can I ask what skis you are driving with the XTs+Tour Tongue liners?
11/28/2023
Aaron, So far, dynastar Vertical 88s, tour 99s, and 4frnt Hojis.
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11/15/2023
I'm interested in knowing how this liner compares to the older Pro tour. I am a telemarket skiing scarpa tx pros about 50/50 resort/bc. I noticed these are about 200 grams heavier and trying to decide if they are worth the added weight . I used pro tours before and they were good...but am open to an upgrade. Thanks!
11/16/2023
Hi Mike,
They are a direct replacement for the Pro Tour, so they aren't fundamentally all that different. However, there are improvements which include a thinner sole, a revised J-bar that allows for better heel hold and ankle support, and a sewn-in tongue rather than the velcro attachment on the Pro Tour.
As far as weight goes, I was surprised to hear such a difference and so I grabbed a couple of our pairs and weighed them. Between the Pro Tours and the Tour Tongues, both size 26, the Tour Tongues were approximately 10 grams heavier per liner. So very comparable. I wouldn't hesitate on the basis of weight!
They are a direct replacement for the Pro Tour, so they aren't fundamentally all that different. However, there are improvements which include a thinner sole, a revised J-bar that allows for better heel hold and ankle support, and a sewn-in tongue rather than the velcro attachment on the Pro Tour.
As far as weight goes, I was surprised to hear such a difference and so I grabbed a couple of our pairs and weighed them. Between the Pro Tours and the Tour Tongues, both size 26, the Tour Tongues were approximately 10 grams heavier per liner. So very comparable. I wouldn't hesitate on the basis of weight!
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11/7/2023
Would Tour Wrap or Tour Tongue be a better replacement for 2020 Scarpa T1?
My boot is a size 26.5. Which size 26 or 27?
Thanks
My boot is a size 26.5. Which size 26 or 27?
Thanks
11/7/2023
Todd, I suppose that would fall under personal preference. The stock liners are a tongue so if they work now, stick with that. You would get the size 27 12mm.
Some people like the Wrap for comfort or increased stiffness. I had a wrap liner in the 2nd Gen T2 boots, and they were rather nice, no tongue to move around.
Some people like the Wrap for comfort or increased stiffness. I had a wrap liner in the 2nd Gen T2 boots, and they were rather nice, no tongue to move around.
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10/25/2023
Hi, I have the Atomic Backland Carbon from last year and the liner that came with it does not fit me well. It's loose and does not have great heel hold even with a shim. checking on the intuition liners if this version would provide more volume and checking on what size to choose. My boot is 25-25.5.
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10/25/2023
Hi Gary, while fixing fit issues with liners does not often work, there is a chance the Intuitions would take up enough heel space for you. The low-volume version has potential as a drop-in replacement, but if you are able to mold a medium volume you would take up even more space. Note the cuffs on these liners are substantially thicker than your stock liner so you'll be buckling up differently.
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