Ski Trab Toe Pieces

Sorry Douglas, that was an older, no longer available color.

Hi Pinecone, that release variation is all in the heel. The toes are the same for all three release-value ranges.

Wild. Does this mean that a sufficiently motivated skier could match a set of the green toes (linked from kid's binding) with a heel and have a higher release value as well? Or is the metallurgy in that toe different?

Green toes: https://skimo.co/ski-trab-titan-vario-kids-binding

Hi Douglas, the Kids binding is the exception. It has a thinner titanium bar to support those lower lateral values.

Hi Zach, absolutely. We maintain an extensive list of hole patterns. 30 x 27.

Hi Anthony, we're out at the moment unfortunately. I can add you to the notification list for this product, but we may not see more until next season's products start arriving.

Hi Anthony, we did get some of those Titan toe shims.

Hi John,

We anticipate receiving more toes here shortly! You can send us an email at help@skimo.co and we can put you on a restock notification list if you'd like. Thanks!

got them today, thank you. Love that they are blue again this year!

Seems like a long shot to get a reply, But how did you mount these to a split?Do they work with the spark tech toe adapter?

Hi there, the spark adapter is .5mm off, it works fine if you just bring the screw heads down at the same time and if it doesn't put your binding too far forward. You also need to source the M5 screws that fit into the binding frame, the Quiver Killer website sells them, you want the screw to come past the binding about 4mm if not using the plastic plate, maybe 8-9mm with the plastic plate which I think locks the lever better.

It is. On the Ski Trab Binding parts, there are the Flat Toe screws. But you also need the striker plate for the ski/walk lever. The only way to get now is to order the Titan Easy Toe Levers 2.0.

Hey Karl, thanks for the question. It is fairly common still to mix and match toes and different heels so no, this isn't an outrageous idea. The one thing to keep in mind is that with the Titan Vario.2 Toe and the SCTT heel you will have a negative ramp angle between the high of the toe and heel piece. Let us know if you have any more questions!

Meant, I would use the SCTT heels with Kreuzspitze adjustment plates. Would that be a sufficient compensation for the higher ST toe piece stack in your opinion? Generally speaking. Obviously, ramp angle is dependent on the BSL. (My boots range from 310 to 315 mm if somebody cares to dissect the problem really scientifically). TIA

Hey Karl, great question! The adjustment plate will give you an extra 5.5 mm under the heel. With the Vario.2 toe, you will still have a delta of -2 mm. However, if you get the Titan Easy Toe Levers from this page and use the striker plate instead of the shim that comes with the toe pieces, that will drop the toe pin height to 31 mm, giving you a delta of positive 2.5 mm (with a 312.5 BSL that will yield a ramp angle of 0.458 degrees (or 0.008 radians, if you want to know)). If you are curious where these numbers are coming from, check out our article on binding pin heights here.

Thanks guys for this really exhaustive (or is it exhausting?) answer! Also, great source of info on the ramp angle/delta of different bindings. Now I have something to obsess about that I would never have noticed otherwise. And thank you for your patience and not suggesting the obvious: to get full Trab bindings if I like their toe piece that much or, if I am too cheap for that, a pair of matching toe pieces to build complete Kreuzspitze bindings with the heels I already have. But wait! Those have a Delta of -0.5 mm! Guess, I will be never able to ski them again ;)

Hi Tristan, I think it could be done, though I couldn't quite tell you what release values to expect.

thanks jbo - I really want to go with the full Trab set but love the features of the MTN heel (except for the adj track)... having to reach down to hand twist the Trab heel as well as not having an additional riser seems like going backwards... probably something you just get used to but...

DOH! Just reread the listing and answered my own question.

Hi Nick, these toes come with mounting screws, which are like wood screws that conform to an ISO standard. You'll need some machine screws to attach these to the TeleAlp plate. We've had to shrink the heads on standard M5s to seat well in these toes.

Forrest- The best way to mount these on a splitboard is using the Plum Low Tech Adaptor plates (or similar Spark R&D plates). This toe has the old Dynafit vertical hole pattern (minus the 5th hole).

This information is in conflict with the lower comments, the chart provided by this website as well as my personal experience. I will attach a picture of my old speed radicals (which I bought with the R&D adapter) and my trab vario toes. Speed radicals read 1 1/2" fore aft, trab reads 1 1/8. Very similar edge to edge. NOT the same! It is very hard enough to create a new franken binding almost every season without being fed misinformation about new products.

Forrest- You are correct the Dynafit Radical and the Trab have different hole patterns. The older vertical toes and Trabs do have the same hole pattern minus the 5th front hole. If you look here you will see the Dynafit Verticals and Trabs are .5mm different which will work fine with an adapter plate.

The spark RD toe adapters were made for the speed radicals. I bought these packaged together as soon as they came out. The bindings I sent a picture of were sent as a package with the spark rd adapter plate and were first used on a split. I abandon this design for several reasons but I do still have the plate. My plate has 5 holes for which I used 4(no center screw in my speed radicals). After looking at the RD site I see their newer adapters have 7 with a set at 26.5 as you say, mine do not have those... Sorry for not believing you but I was holding a part in my hand that proved different. I apologize.
Being a hardbooter can be super frustrating as I look at the hundreds of options skiers have and I can't find a single working option for splits. On my skis I have the Trab vario 2 and it's worlds away from thengear offered to splitboarders. We are left in the dark ages. This Puts me out there in major situations with makeshift gear. Not a nice feeling.
Still on the RD site it states the R&D adapter plate is designed for the use of Speed Radical, Speed Turn, or Low Tech Race toe pieces. It seems I would need to purchase a new adapter plate (which adds cost, weight, complexity and offsets the toe hinge point forward). However this may be worth it in order use the trab toes, which are the best ski toe design out there but still overbuilt, expensive and with too large a footprint to be a good option on a split. I've already run through too many ski toes and adapters. The original voile pin system is lighter, smaller, cheaper, simpler and easier to repair in the field than any ski toe adaptation so far. But it's clunky and leaves the weight of the slider plates on your feet while touring. The ups and downs of a hardbooter.
While people assume splitboarders don't need an efficient set up for some reason, but let me reiterate that we are out there doing the same stuff you are. I will be out on multiple 20+ day self supported ski tours this winter. Right now I would not attempt this on my split because the equipment just isn't there yet. But I'm tiring. I see you are too, I thank you for that. Let's keep it moving forward and not support plum or dynafit/phantom who are putting out subpar gear and see if we can't get trab to make an actual splitboard binding.

Hi Nick,
Ski Trab toes do not have the same mounting pattern as Dynafit Radical toes. We have a comprehensive list of all of the different mounting patterns here. However, the Kreuzspitze Telemark Kit will mount with the Ski Trab toes just fine!

Thanks Julieana, that’s good to know.

It is the same as always.

Hi Chris, we just updated the specs for 2018/19. These weigh 66 grams with the striker plates (no crampon, etc).

Hi A-fro! They're sold individually.

Hi Paul, I can't speak specifically to the Spark crampons, but yes, the Trab receptor fits Dynafit-style slide-in crampons. The worst-case scenario is you'd need to bend it outward slightly if the bar is on the thick side.