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Les Batons d'Alain

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The Chamonix ski mountaineering pole. Coming to us from across the pond and made in the shadow of the great and icy Mont Blanc, these unorthodox ski poles offer many small yet meaningful solutions to many small yet meaningful problems ski mountaineers face in the mountains. Made by mountain guide Alain Desez, the 18mm aluminum poles feature long ribbed foam grips which extend nearly halfway down each pole. Alain's Sticks are durable and allow you to grip anywhere along the top half of each pole without slipping. Also, no wrist straps! Straps can make ordinary falls rather dangerous and can make activating your airbag difficult in the event of an avalanche. Without them, you can more easily plunge the tops of the poles into snow. Proven by Chamoniard mountain guides on steep north faces and by American ski alpinists on routes like Foraker's Archangel Ridge, the highest level of pole design is now available to the powder-hunting, couloir-dropping, European-flag-loving masses.

  • 18mm 7075 anodized aluminum makes up the shaft for great strength.
  • The pommels (the plastic caps on the top) have a strap attachment point.
  • Reflective strips adorn these poles for improved visibility at night.
  • Includes easily swappable powder and piste baskets.
  • Tungsten carbide tips are slightly flexible.
  • Comes in lots of fun grip colors.

Specifications
Lengths (cm) 105, 115, 125, 135, 145
Weight
convert to ounces
201g [125]
225g [135]
Weight (pair) 402g [125]
450g [135]
Collapsed Length   N/A
Sections 1
Grip 70cm long extended foam
Basket & Tip 85mm powder baskets and 38mm mini baskets, carbide tip
Diameter 18mm just below the grip
Specs Verified Yes
Design
Materials   7075 aluminum, EVA foam, polymer, carbide
Strap Sold separately
Skimo Co Says
Usage Steep skiing, mountain running
Notes Infinite handle position
Bottom Line Fixed length aluminum with limitless grip options
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Questions & Reviews

12/13/2022
Stephen C (used product a few times)
 
Broke second time

I have used a lot of aluminum poles. These are only ones to ever break. Burly? Not so much.
12/14/2022
Reply from PRB
 
I've only ever seen aluminum break like this if it was dinged or scored. Did the poles take a hit? (FWIW, I've only damaged the plastic parts of my Batons, and then only in heli baskets or jumbled up in roof-top boxes on cold days.)
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12/13/2022
Comment from PRB
 
If you do need to replace one, the top caps are a pain to get off, but here's what I did. First, I broke the top part of the cap off when trying to tug on it with some channel locks, so don't do that. (Turns out that it's glued on, so that wasn't going to happen anyway.)

Next, I went to the hardware store and bought a washer and lag screw and then threaded the lag screw into the the portion of the cap down in the aluminum shaft. I grabbed a decommissioned dyneema runner, girth hitched one end over the handle of a 45# kettle bell and looped the other end over the washer. With the tip of the pole pointed straight up and the runner taught, it took about a dozen hard yanks straight up (each of which lifted the kettlebell a bit), but the rest of the cap popped out (as shown). I was then able to pound on the replacement. (This method did not require clamping the aluminum shaft or risking deforming/denting it.)

FWIW, I've also had to replace a tip, and that was much easier in that it just required warming up the plastic and pulling the old one off.
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11/21/2022
Question from Lydia Breitenstein
 
Do the poles come in a set? Or do I have to order 2? HAHA
11/21/2022
Answer from jbo
 
Hi Lydia, these are sold in pairs!
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11/20/2022
Zach W (downright abused product)
 
These are good poles. I got +10cm of my normal size and they work great. I have no need for adjustable poles.

One nice attention to detail is the opening in the cap so you can add a strap, but I've never done it.

Another plus is that I've never had a problem with the powder baskets. I carry an extra but kind of don't think I need to.

I concur with the flaws other reviewers have noted:
- Icing on grips when putting them in the snow. When booting, especially if you're using your poles for leverage (e.g., when wallowing), the grips ice up and it's kind of impossible to get the packed snow off if it's high moisture.
- Pole caps are very fragile. Poles should be able to take an impact when stuck upside down as a belay.

I got ninja black and am really happy I did so. I don't really like the funky colors. The poles already look dorky and mark you as a skimo nerd.

I have never had an issue with these flexing. They feel more than burly enough for me. 5'8" 155 lbs ish.

Kind of split on how I feel about these. Yeah, they're nice poles, but they're also $130. You can get 90-95% of the functionality with a normal aluminum pole and some self-sealing tape. On my resort poles ($10), I wrapped electrical wire with that tape and it's almost as good. That said, looking at other pole listings, somehow 130 bucks for a piece of aluminum is cheap in the ski touring pole market...
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11/4/2022
Anthony O (downright abused product)
 
This is an updated review from owning since 11/19, aka before they were cool.

Please note one of my aliases is the thicccness with the quickness so my durability issues do stem from from skiing 1700-2000g skis (per ski, not a pair) and that I weigh 190. So I am very not skimo anymore.

Everyone knows why fixed grips are great so I'm going into specifically why these poles are an inferior design to the black crows furtis. (Shots fired).

1) absolute strength. Furtis is stiffer and doesn't flex into different shapes. They both flex, but the cham stick will bend. And you will have to bend it back. It's not fun.

2) cham sticks foam sux. If it gets moisture it will refreeze and it's a pain in the ass. Gripping ice isn't fun. I remedied with electrical tape, but it stinks to have to fix a new product.

3) the tip is epoxied on, not threaded (I'm talking the entire tip interface not the basket). It has come off on me multiple times, from factory, and after cleaning and reapplying a new tip with a boat load of epoxy and roughing the surface for better adherence. Skiing without a tip sucks. Having it happen multiple times sucks more. The fact it isn't threaded and cannot be fixed in the field is eggregious. Future designs should b threaded with loctite.

3) top caps also pop off and are not as streamlined as a furtis for plunging.

I've had the furtis since 2017 at least, just broke my first pair after hundreds of more days of use than my pair of cham sticks. Plus they are a carbon composite. What's more skimo than that?
11/4/2022
Reply from Anthony O
 
Let me finish by saying skimo's support for these poles, however, is as expected-excellent. and skimo assisted me quickly with my original breakage. I do want to reiterate also that I am an outlier user, all things break, and ymmv.
11/4/2022
Reply from Ben
 
Has anyone in Utah ever had ice form on their Baton grips? I can’t remember it ever happening to me over hundreds of days. I have had ice form on other pole grips in Utah from different companies but not with the cham sticks
11/5/2022
Reply from Anthony O
 
As for the icing, One of the primary reasons I use fixed grip poles is because I flip them and I plunge them into softer snow. This happens regularly on slopes over 45 degrees or climbing steeper slopes. So in Ben's case hundreds of days of wiggling in 20 degrees would not cause moisture to enter the foam because the foam isn't plunging into snow. Users like this are better suited towards adjustable poles like whippets for all the of mountaineering instances they regularly encounter
12/14/2022
Reply from PRB
 
I've gotten the icing, too, and it's definitely a thing in PNW temperatures and snow.
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10/24/2022
Question from Ben
 
Do you sell replacement top caps?
10/25/2022
Answer from Tristan M
 
Hi Ben,

Yes we do! Check out our Les Pieces D'Alain listing. We have a few different colors to choose from!
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10/21/2022
Question from Jack Z
 
Curious about sizing on these... what would you recommend for 5'10? I know a traditional sizing would put me at the 125s, but it seems the beauty of these is to get them a bit big so you can size to whatever climb or descent you want?

Also, I the grip material of the "champagne" color cork?
10/21/2022
Answer from Tristan M
 
Hi Jack,

Sizing is definitely preferential with these poles. I would size you with the 135cm length. It will probably be slightly longer than your traditional alpine poles, but it will pay dividends on the way up. For the way down, just choke down!

The Champagne colorway is tan with something embedded in the foam that gives it a pattern. The texture is slightly different than the other pole color options.
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7/14/2022
Question from Hillary
 
What size would you recommend for 5’7”?
7/15/2022
Answer from Lbow
 
Hi Hillary,

We're the same height! I'd recommend a 125cm; if you're standing and your elbow is at 90 degrees with a comfortable grip on the pole, that's what I would recommend!
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6/20/2022
Millard (used product regularly)
 
Bought two pairs of these at the beginning of last season. My buddy and I used them for just about everything. Very versatile and comfortable. The foam really doesn’t get cold. And they’re super light weight by my standards. Problems began around march. One tip had broken. And we lost a basket the next week. By the end of the season we were down to one functional pole. Two shafts were bent with some tie downs. Overall I would say that these pole are a lot of fun but need to be beefed up a bit. Screw-on plastic tips are never going to work.
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5/6/2022
Travis C (used product regularly)
 
I was in dire need for a new set of poles this season, and finally pulled the trigger on buying these in January. I've mainly used them for resort skiing, plus a little bit of touring. Overall, they are awesome. I am 5'10" and was worried the 125s might be a bit short, but that length is perfect for me. I agree that they are overkill at most resorts, but if you ski somewhere with hikes/sidesteps/traverses, they definitely serve their purpose. One unexpected benefit I found is on deep days, I could just choke up my grip instead of having chicken wings trying to keep my poles from dragging. I've used them in a variety of temps so far and no issues with durability, however I will say that if you purchase a pair with the orange caps and baskets, they are really bright. It's a safety orange color that has a neon glow outdoors. So if neon isn't your thing, maybe get a pair with the white or black caps and baskets instead.

After dropping them a few times while skating on flats, I ended up making my own straps with some paracord. A lot cheaper than the straps sold alongside the poles, plus the length can be dialed in for your preference. Also if you really can't fathom paying this much for poles, a little bit of gorilla glue and foam bike handlebar tape on an old pair of aluminum poles will accomplish the same thing for a fraction of the price. Looks way better than the hockey tape trick as well. But if featherlight weight combined with durability is what you're after, batons can't be beat.
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5/2/2022
EG1 (downright abused product)
 
I'm impressed with the durability of this pole given the fact that it is relatively normal foam on the grips they are aluminum shafts. I've shoved these on the sides of many packs next and dragged them across rock while approaching summits and never had an issue with bending or denting. Also, I strap them to skis with G3 ZED's on them and the bindings often close on the grips, temporarily depressing the foam but never ripping it or pulling it off the pole. Tips are really strong as well - no issues with snapping off the bottoms in hardpack.

Personally, I find 5cm longer than normal poles to be plenty or else you're really choking up for the downs. I also would just do a vari adjust/grip option if you're looking for a pair to crush resort and backcountry - these are overkill at the resort (obviously).

Sure, there's a "these are in" stigma - but they're really good. Chamonix guides wouldn't be using them religiously if they weren't...
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3/24/2022
Question from Aaron Squier
 
The strap holder broke off the pommel one of my poles. Do you know if it's possible to replace this part?
3/24/2022
Answer from Jeff
 
Hello Aaron, Yes, we sell the caps, straps and baskets here - parts.
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3/19/2022
Question from Ben
 
Can you give an idea of when/if you will get more stock? Looking for all black 135s or other colors in general in the 135 size. Thanks!
3/19/2022
Answer from Brett S
 
Hey Ben, if you don't like any of the 135cm colors we have in stock, we'll be receiving more in the Fall!
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3/10/2022
Question from Richard S
 
I am 5'9" and got the 135's. I got the 135s because when i am polling while skinning, I usually extend my BDs to 135. And just thought I would choke up on these for the downhill (I tele and like my poles smaller). But these things seem HUGE!!!
A lot of people have written that they are around my height and got the 135 and like them. Anybody have problems with them being too long????
3/11/2022
Answer from Ian C
 
Hi Richard, haven't heard that specific complaint myself. Sounds like the 125cm might be more up your alley!
3/28/2022
Answer from Thomas M
 
Hey, I'm 5'10'' and rocking 135 for everything (alpine skiing, ski touring, trail running, trekking). The beauty of these beasts is that you can hold them as low as you want on the grip. Up the hill, I often hold them on top and when going down between 15 and 20 from the top with no issue. Have fun !
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2/20/2022
Question from Clancy
 
Are you guys going to get any more of the rainbows in stock? 135-140? Thanks
2/20/2022
Answer from Julieana
 
Hey Clancy, we will probably get more in at some point, however I can't tell you if or when exactly as we are rather at the whim of Alain on these... he sends us however many of whatever style he decides to make a few times throughout the season. It makes it that much more exciting when we do get them in and that much more exclusive when you get a pair! If you send us an email at help@skimo.co we can set you up to get a notification when he does send us some rainbow ones in that size!
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1/29/2022
Question from Jack Evers
 
Hello! I was just wondering how long do these poles take to ship?
1/31/2022
Answer from Tristan M
 
Hi Jack,

That would depend on where you live! For more information, reach out to us at help@skimo.co, and we are happy to give you a more precise estimate.
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1/21/2022
Question from Peter
 
Are the poles measured from above the baskets or does that include the tip as well?
1/21/2022
Answer from Ian C
 
Hey Peter, the length labeled is the full length of the baton, inclusive of the tips!
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1/8/2022
Question from Nick
 
I have broken tips on these a couple of times. Oops. Alain sent me some replacements once before but I am wondering if there is an easier option out there. Any ideas? Thanks!

Only bummer about these poles is that the tips do some to have the propensity to break when rotating dynafit heel pieces.
1/8/2022
Answer from Ian C
 
Hey Nick, we occasionally get a few of those tips from Alain and are able to send them out as a replacement. We don't have them listed on our site, however, since supply can be limited. Feel free to continue reaching out to Alain or warranty@skimo.co if this happens again and we can check if some tips are available.
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11/29/2021
Question from Bucky
 
6'3" tall. 135 or 140 length? Thanks.
11/29/2021
Answer from Zak M
 
Hey Bucky, I am right around 6ft and I own the 135cm and they are just about perfect. With that being said I think the 140cm would be great. Let us know if you have anymore questions!
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11/10/2021
M Del (used product a few times)
 
Immediately became my favorite touring poles the first time I used them. Love the grip girth and comfort. the ability to quickly adjust your grip is awesome and the extra length didn’t get in the way going down so I’d go bigger if you’re between sizes (5-11 went with 135s)
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