Hi! I'm going to buy a ski for spring conditions and long days thats light, but still good downhill, both for steep and firm. But also for light powder. I have other skis for really powder days.
I have been looking at blizzard zero g 85, kästle tx 87 and dynafit blacklight 88. What is the most easy going skis, versetale that works best in most snow conditions?
Best regards Ingvild
Blizzard Zero G 85 Ski - 2021/22
The quintessential ski mountaineering and touring machine is back and better than ever. For years, words like reliable, stable, and bomber have been used to describe the Zero G 85. Now, with an updated carbon overlay and sidewall construction, those words are more accurate than ever. Edging into a steep and narrow chute always feels intimidating at first, but after a turn or two, you'll notice that the Zero G 85 has stability and edge hold not typically found in lightweight mountaineering skis. That particular quality can be attributed to this ski's carbon overlay and sidewall construction, which lends torsional rigidity to the ski without adding any extra g's (hence the name Zero G). While most folks tend to opt for slightly (or much) wider skis when heading powder hunting, on deep days you may find yourself making a very skimo-esque® decision due to the float these skis' rockered tips and tails give them. For a select few wintery days, the sky is too clear, the snow is too creamy, and the skin tracks are too crisp to be encumbered by any extra weight. On those perfect winter days, head out with the Blizzard Zero G 85 ski and be ready for anything (with exactly zero g's of extra weight).
- Skiing in steep terrain and on harder snow, skiers will appreciate the stable underfoot feel that the updated core and sidewall offer.
- Blizzard altered the dimensions of the sidewall, saving weight and tuning the flex to better suit the needs of most skiers.
- An updated Carbon Overdrive overlay strikes the perfect balance between snappy and forgiving.
- Snazzy graphics are sure to make your ski partner green with envy.
- Made in Austria.
Update 2022/23: Blizzard designed a new Zero-G 85 for this season.
| Specifications | |
| Lengths (cm) | 157, 164, 171, 178, 185 |
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Weight |
950g [150] 1000g [157] 1070g [164] 1120g [171] 1205g [178] |
| Weight (pair) | 1900g [150] 2000g [157] 2140g [164] 2240g [171] 2410g [178] |
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113-85-97 |
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Turn |
17.0m [150] 17.5m [157] 19.5m [164] 21.5m [171] 22.0m [178] |
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Skin |
Roundish tips, flat tail notch |
| Specs Verified | Yes |
| Design | |
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Mild rocker with camber underfoot |
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Medium radius with easy arcing tip & tail |
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Sidewall sandwich w/ Carbon Drive |
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Paulownia |
| Skimo Co Says | |
| Usage | Mountaineering, classic touring |
| Notes | Rare sidewall on lightweight skis |
| Bottom Line | Confident steep skier |
| Compare to other Low-fat Skis | |
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Questions & Reviews
3/28/2022
3/28/2022
Ingvild, The ideal Spring or light All around ski. The Zero G 85 does excel when things are icy, but not much of a powder ski. Dynafits Blacklight 88 is a great all-around ski. They carve well on firm and mixed snow. I have skied them in over a foot of Alta light powder and they do amazingly well at it for a fairly stiff ski. I haven't experience with the TX 87, but the shape is similar to the Blacklight, not quite as light.
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2/3/2022
I'm in the market for a big objective ski and test drove a buddy's 171s (2019) last weekend. I loved the lightness and stiffness and really wanted to love them overall, but I had a hard time getting them around in jumpturns on firm snow (admittedly not a strong skill of mine yet) and also in variable boot top powder down low in the trees. I think I'd have felt better on my Icelandic 178 chattery 107s in both conditions. I'm not super used to skinny-ish skis, so maybe the variable conditions struggle is par for the course. Any thoughts? Maybe due to the high-ish radius? If so, what would be a bit more intermediate mountaineering friendly?
2/3/2022
Hey Paul, while this ski is good for jump turns on firm snow, they are not the easiest to handle in variable or tight conditions. Another good intermediate mountaineering ski for you to take a look at would be the Black Diamond Cirque 84! These have a softer flex, decent tip rocker, and broader tail that gives them an advantage on softer or variable conditions.
It might be easier it help you through our Help. Details about your height/weight and where you ski, thanks!
It might be easier it help you through our Help. Details about your height/weight and where you ski, thanks!
3/16/2022
I have a set of these guys in 171cm with Marker Alpinist, and they go go go uphill and have uncompromising edge hold in icy conditions skinning or skiing. That grip means that the nature of the ski is going to fight you if you try to slither/slarve on them. I've taken them out for one-day runs up Baker and Adams here in Washington and all over on Rainier (Nisqually Chutes, Steamboat Prow, etc.). I have had a heckuva time driving them in nasty conditions (breakable crust, gooey mank) where no skinny, uphill-oriented ski excels, but I got through it and am not ready to blame the equipment. (I usually ski a more "centered" ski and style for inbounds/slackcountry.) Could be I just need to go even more knees-over-toes and commit to the nature of the ski, but after a long climb, I don't always have the energy to focus on that.
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1/26/2022
Sorry adding one more question -
do you think zero G will work as cross over in-resort skis? if not, I'm thinking of switching to faction agent 1.0X or what to see what other options are out there for a beefier set up?
thanks
Diane
do you think zero G will work as cross over in-resort skis? if not, I'm thinking of switching to faction agent 1.0X or what to see what other options are out there for a beefier set up?
thanks
Diane
1/26/2022
Hi Diane, the Zero G 85 would be a really nice option for cross-over skis to use in the resort. They are one of the best skis we carry for carving at speed and do well in consistent, firm snow, i.e. groomers.
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1/23/2022
Hello do you think it will work with a shift binding? given how light it is?
1/24/2022
Diane- I do not think a shift would be appropriate for a Zero G 85. The binding would fit, but just barely. If your looking for a beefier binding try the Kingpin m-werks or a Dynafit Rotation .
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1/20/2022
Hey Skimo,
How would you compare the zero g with the K2 wayback 88? Secondly for a light person like me (174cm and 65kg) would you recommend the 164 or the 171?
Thank you,
Michele
How would you compare the zero g with the K2 wayback 88? Secondly for a light person like me (174cm and 65kg) would you recommend the 164 or the 171?
Thank you,
Michele
1/20/2022
Thanks for reaching out, Michele. The k2 Wayback 88 will be a bit easier going, heavier, and more damp compared to the Blizzard. In terms of sizing, if you value lighter weight and maneuverability, Go with the shorter length. If you value stability at speed, go with the longer length. Please let us know if you have any other questions!
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1/6/2022
Hi - How would you compare these to Kastle tx87? Also, how much should you down size on skimo skis like this from regular all mt alpine resort skis?
1/6/2022
Raquel,
Great question! The Kastle TX line is built like, well, a Kastle! The TX87 will have a much tighter turning radius than the Zero G, making it a more demanding ski. It is also a very powerful ski that is a blast on hard pack surfaces, but will take a bit more effort and technique to stay on top of in more variable conditions. The Zero G is also a powerful ski in its own right, but will engage and release from turns more smoothly and be a more forgiving ride overall. Hope this helps!
Great question! The Kastle TX line is built like, well, a Kastle! The TX87 will have a much tighter turning radius than the Zero G, making it a more demanding ski. It is also a very powerful ski that is a blast on hard pack surfaces, but will take a bit more effort and technique to stay on top of in more variable conditions. The Zero G is also a powerful ski in its own right, but will engage and release from turns more smoothly and be a more forgiving ride overall. Hope this helps!
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1/5/2022
Hi Skimoco, it seems like the turn radii listed are from the last-gen zg85. Can you confirm? I know that sometimes you guys have intel on the real specs of skis (like weight).
Comparing with https://www.blizzard-tecnica.com/ca/en/men/touring/skis/zero-g-085-2?store=skis
Comparing with https://www.blizzard-tecnica.com/ca/en/men/touring/skis/zero-g-085-2?store=skis
1/5/2022
Zach- The specs on our website are correct from the generational info from Blizzard. Looks like they did change turn radius a little between last generation and this generation. Good eye!
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12/10/2021
Looking for a PNW volcano ski. Currently have the 105s in 188 with a Vipec.
Should I go all the way down to 85 or just step down to 95? I'm leaning towards putting vipecs on for the elasticity when conditions change, but could be talked into a lighter binding.
250Lbs loaded & 6'2" Type III skier
Should I go all the way down to 85 or just step down to 95? I'm leaning towards putting vipecs on for the elasticity when conditions change, but could be talked into a lighter binding.
250Lbs loaded & 6'2" Type III skier
12/10/2021
Thanks for reaching out, Aaron. If you're mostly going to be doing springtime tours on volcanos, the 85 would definitely be the way to go. If you want a lighter binding that still has forward pressure, the Marker Alpinist has incredible performance for its weight. Please let us know if you have any other questions.
12/14/2021
I'm 5'7" ~170lbs (unloaded, but I was close to 200 when I bought these).
I got the 85s a couple of years ago for the exact situation you describe I have 104mm/177cm Coombacks, and wanted a lighter volcano (+skimo) ski. I've taken them up several volcanos and on long missions. Sometimes in corn/slush I think a 95mm ski might ski better... but they (& the skins) weigh more. IMO if your other skis are 105s then you want the bigger jump to make your "quiver" more complete. If I had my time again I would probably go with a 95 + 115mm backcountry quiver, as I have had an opportunity to ski some bottomless pow in the last couple of years.
As for bindings, I put Dynafit Speed Radicals on my ZeroGs... I really think you want a light binding (and even light boots) to take advantage of the light ski.
I got the 85s a couple of years ago for the exact situation you describe I have 104mm/177cm Coombacks, and wanted a lighter volcano (+skimo) ski. I've taken them up several volcanos and on long missions. Sometimes in corn/slush I think a 95mm ski might ski better... but they (& the skins) weigh more. IMO if your other skis are 105s then you want the bigger jump to make your "quiver" more complete. If I had my time again I would probably go with a 95 + 115mm backcountry quiver, as I have had an opportunity to ski some bottomless pow in the last couple of years.
As for bindings, I put Dynafit Speed Radicals on my ZeroGs... I really think you want a light binding (and even light boots) to take advantage of the light ski.
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11/6/2021
Did they noticeably change the design between 2021 and 2022? Can’t figure out if that is a change made this year or last — the slightly softer tip and tails . Thanks!
11/6/2021
Hi Fred, there are just color updates for 2021/22. There was a redesign in 2019/20 which changed the flex characteristics and added a tip depression for skin attachment. For reference, here is the old version.
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10/23/2021
Anyone compared this to the Salomon Mtn Summit 79 in 170cm? Hard to find much info on that ski. It seems more comparable maybe here than the heavier Mtn Explore 88 in the same lengths. I'm considering finding a way to demo some in person this coming season if possible - looking into a lightweight spring touring/traverse/volcano/blue bird days option that can still do some real technical descents (and light!!).
10/24/2021
Thanks for reaching out, Ryan. Besides the differences underfoot, they are very different skis. The Zero-G 85 is quite stiff and made for those who want to arc powerful turns together, or for those needing the best edge hold for mountaineering objectives. The Summit 79 is softer and will be easier to ski than the Zero-G 85. While it's still quite capable, it won't have as high of a speed limit as the Zero-G, however, the edge hold will still be quite good. The Summit 79 has a similar construction principle as the MTN Explorer 88, which is to say, more focused on the descent (though it is still quite light). Overall, both skis are great options and will accomplish what you're after. The Zero-G will be more demanding and requires good ski technique at all times. The Summit 79 is easier going, but won't have as good of edge hold as the Zero-G 85. Please let us know if you have any other questions, or want to discuss these two skis further!
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2/19/2021
Hey SkimoCo,
Have you heard of the camber flattening out on these after a few season's use? A friend has a pair that are now completely flat and even reverse camber after 4 seasons of use and the camber on mine is notably flatter after 3 seasons of use. Is this just inherent to light skis or a problem you've noticed with this ski in particular? Thanks!
Have you heard of the camber flattening out on these after a few season's use? A friend has a pair that are now completely flat and even reverse camber after 4 seasons of use and the camber on mine is notably flatter after 3 seasons of use. Is this just inherent to light skis or a problem you've noticed with this ski in particular? Thanks!
2/19/2021
Thanks for your question, Miles! All skis, whether alpine or touring specific, will get softer and de-camber over time. Please let us know if you have any other questions!
12/14/2021
This! I have a yellow (2017) pair that are as flat as a 2x4's now.
I wouldn't say I used them heavily at all. Other (older) skis in the household are still holding up just fine.
I wouldn't say I used them heavily at all. Other (older) skis in the household are still holding up just fine.
12/14/2021
Hey Miles and Goran, just wanted to mention that there have been some construction changes since 2017 that may help to maintain the camber a bit better. It is hard to predict, however, as this is something that may not show itself for a few years.
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2/9/2021
Has anyone had experience cutting a race skin tip notch in these? Any advice for doing so?
2/9/2021
Hi James, yes we've done a number of them. But actually with the new recessed tip slots you don't really need to as the Trab Attivo tips work well.
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2/7/2021
Question from
Chris Pinchbeck 
Hey Skimo!
East Coast - mostly uphill - hard pack groomer ride down - occasional foray into backcountry on sled trails, powder no deeper than 1'. Traditional downhill boards have always been thin and long. I'm 5-11 and currently ski an older pair of Blizzard GS's 190's - which I LOVE the response of.
Debating over:Blizzard Zero G 85 (178) or Ski Trab Sintestri (178) due to thinner underfoot. Which would you steer me toward.
Can you mount bindings without boots? Have Scarpa Freedom SL's 28.5.
Thanks for your help! Chris
East Coast - mostly uphill - hard pack groomer ride down - occasional foray into backcountry on sled trails, powder no deeper than 1'. Traditional downhill boards have always been thin and long. I'm 5-11 and currently ski an older pair of Blizzard GS's 190's - which I LOVE the response of.
Debating over:Blizzard Zero G 85 (178) or Ski Trab Sintestri (178) due to thinner underfoot. Which would you steer me toward.
Can you mount bindings without boots? Have Scarpa Freedom SL's 28.5.
Thanks for your help! Chris
2/8/2021
Thanks for your question, Chris. It sounds like the Blizzard Zero G 85 will serve you well! It is very at home making long powerful turns and really excels on harder snow surfaces. Please let us know if you have any other questions!
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1/27/2021
How would these perform as an eastern sierra spring ski/multi-day traverse option? Basically, steep corn couloirs and lots of time going uphill.
1/28/2021
Hey Jesse, the Blizzard Zero G 85 would fit the bill quite nicely from what it sounds like you require. The Zero G 85 has slightly less early rise than some other ski options, so in more variable snow conditions you might find them a bit more challenging. Overall the Zero G 85 packs a lot of stiffness into a really light weight package that excels in executing steep turns.
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1/22/2021
Is there a difference between the yellow and gray besides the color of the top sheet?
1/22/2021
Hey Dave, thanks for reaching out! It is just the color of the top sheet, the construction is the same!
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2/5/2020
Stormpeakco
(used product a few times)
I'm previously, very familiar w/ the flip core technology Blizzard skis.
Purchased a pair of 164 cm length Zero G 85 that were mounted up with Hagan Ride 10 bindings (86mm brakes).
Despite the modest construction change w/ the tailored carbon fiber, these skis handle bumps and under 6" of Rocky Mtn powder decently though still seem to be more on the stiffer side, but not overtly so.
Coupled w/ a pair of Blizzard-Pomoca skins (also purchased from Skimo), this set up tours very well and seem nearly feather weight.
Purchased a pair of 164 cm length Zero G 85 that were mounted up with Hagan Ride 10 bindings (86mm brakes).
Despite the modest construction change w/ the tailored carbon fiber, these skis handle bumps and under 6" of Rocky Mtn powder decently though still seem to be more on the stiffer side, but not overtly so.
Coupled w/ a pair of Blizzard-Pomoca skins (also purchased from Skimo), this set up tours very well and seem nearly feather weight.
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8/3/2019
Has anyone skied both the earlier and 2019/2020 model Zero G 85? I would appreciate a comparison of the experience.
8/4/2019
Hey Karl- I have skied the old version extensively and the 19/20 model a few times. While the 19/20 is supposed to have been tweaked a little I would say it skied very close, if not the same, to the previous version. Maybe a bit easier to initiate a turn but not much. Felt very similar to me.
8/7/2019
Hi Karl, I concur with Eric, I have a hard time describing the functional difference after skiing the new version. They are as good as ever!
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