Dynafit TLT8 Expedition CR Boot
The boot for the unwashed masses, the common backcountry skier who has big dreams but sleeps through the alarm as often as they make it out of bed in time! Don't misunderstand, this boot is top-of-the-line European engineering at its finest: with tech like the Speed Nose and Cramp-In system, who else besides Dynafit could have designed it? No, the only common or unwashed thing about this boot is the foot that goes inside it. The capabilities of the TLT8 Expedition boot place it in the middle of the road between the lycra-wearing skimo racer and the couloir-skiing, peak-bagging ski mountaineer. With a nearly friction-free 60 degree range of motion, the TLT8 Expedition is ready to walk all day, even if you aren't, and an updated, simple two-part buckle system gets you cinched down and ready to ski faster and easier than the previous model. A stiff Lambda frame serves as the skeleton of the boot, while the fully moldable CR boot liner can be fit to cater to all your strange podiatric needs. This is a boot which you will love from your first day until your last day.
- Extra roomy 103mm last and Dynafit's moldable CR liner make for a very comfortable and customizable boot.
- Ultra Lock 4.0 has an updated glove-friendly lever, but is otherwise unchanged because the previous systems have worked so darn well.
- Compatible with the Cramp-In crampon system, the TLT8 Expedition streamlines crampon use and give users a unique automatic crampon option.
- Lambda frame provides the power and structure that makes this boot ski so solidly, and a slightly taller cuff now further enhances that power transmission.
- Two ratcheting buckles replace the single cable closure system seen on the TLT7 line, greatly simplifying a system that mostly worked but felt somewhat complex.
- The Dynafit Speed Nose moves the burly Master Step inserts back a few millimeters towards the ball of the feet, leading to a more ergonomic pivot and eliminating some weight by losing the toe lugs.
|Weight (pair)||2422g [27.0]|
||Ultra Lock 4.0|
||Shell - Grilamid, Cuff - Grilamid with glass fibers|
||Formula Pomoca Climb|
|Skimo Co Says|
|Usage||Ski touring of all kinds in cold conditions|
|Notes||Warm, comfy and adjustable addition to the TLT family|
|Bottom Line||Superior TLTs for your next Expedition|
|Compare to other Touring Boots|
Questions & Reviews
After a bit of research I found that the boot shell should be heat moldable, as it is Grilamid. The cuff however is Grilamid with glass fiber. Does anyone know what the official position concerning thermomolding these boots, with a heat gun etc. ? Or any experience on doing anyways ?
For clarity, "molding" shells is a feature exclusive to Salomon and Atomic, where the entire shell is heated and molded to your foot. "Punching" is where you heat a specific spot of the boot. The TLT8 is punchable, but not moldable. In general, we advise against punching the cuff. There's usually no need to, but depending on the location it can be done. Reach out to us at firstname.lastname@example.org if you think you need to punch the cuff and we can give you some more advice. Glass grilamid can be punched very well, as is the case with the glass-grilamid F1 GT which uses glass-infused grilamid for the entire shell.
A bit warmer would be nice and possibly just a tad bit snugger fit.
it is known that these boots have a wide fit (103mm last), large volume and therefore they adapt well to big and wide feet. But how do they behave with narrow feet? I have a narrow foot (96mm last 266mm lenght), with a thin heel and low instep. In the shop I wore a TLT8 Expedition CL (thinner liner) size 26 without too many expectations and incredibly I had good feelings: the foot seemed well wrapped and well blocked by the shell buckle. The heel also seemed well locked, even when walking. Unfortunately I am afraid of making the wrong purchase. Could the last size be an indicator of comfort as well as foot volume?
Which two buckles boots do you recommend for those with feet like mine?
Thanks to those who will answer
On the other hand, if you are able to try these boots on without the liner (shell fit) and have 1-2 fingers of space around your foot, then they could be a good option! Feel free to write in to email@example.com and we would be happy to walk you through the process!
They walk well with very usable range of motion, are light and ski with more power than I expected. It turns out that I have a wider foot so this boot fits perfectly in the toe box, however it took a long time for me to let go of my preconceived ideas of boot fit. I tried 5 different boots before I told myself that it was ok not to have my feet compressed into discomfort.
I like the buckle system for ease, convenience and speed.
The liner is comfortable but the tongue does not stay in place going uphill or down, sliding to one side or the other. When the liner slides to the side the pressure from the buckle transfers directly to your shin. It could be my narrow lower legs but this is so annoying that I either need to find away to keep the tongue in place or get new liners. The tongue has a narrow integrated plastic pad designed to spread the pressure from the buckle but once it slides to the side the strap makes skiing down uncomfortable.
The boots are incredibly stiff. Stiffer then anything out there for how light they are. They also climb quite well. I have fitted them with real crampons. Flex on these is also incredible.
The downside on these is I thought they were a bit cold in the liners. But a lot of that could have been the fit here.
So a bit of a mixed review but I think people will be happy with this boot if they can get the fit right.
Initial Thoughts: the TLT8 is a refinement on the TLT 7 that fixes most of its main problems. The new buckle system provides a more dialed fit, more durability, and what I perceive to be a slightly taller cuff height which results in significantly noticeable skiing improvement. I have also used the new 2020 atomic backland, one of this boots main competitors, and find the TLT 8 expedition to be significantly stiffer than the backland, both of which are stiffer than the fischer travers carbon. Ironically the TLT8 also comes in the sexy green TLT8 Carbonio edition which I was not cool enough to receive
Stuff that they need to fix but isnt a deal breaker: user serviceable upper cuff pivot joint. For some reason dynafit has been dragging their heels on a user servicable cuff joint. For biking nerds out there, the system they use is reminiscent of a pressfit BB. This means that they press the joint together at a factory. It works, but the more you use the boot, the more play develops in the joint between the upper and lower cuff. It also creates a slight amount of friction. Other manufacturers, like atomic, utilize a frictionless pivot that can be retightened at home, instead of having to be sent back to dynafit and repressed. The other option is to buy the B&D Ski gear ultimate cuff pivot, drill out the pressfit pivot, and install (not too terrible, ive done it on the Dynafit PDG 2). And drilling your boot will void warranty. This is a very easy fix for dynafit, specifically because they partner with Pierre Gignoux which uses a user servicable cuff on all boots, so Dynafit does know how to do it properly.
Secondly, as their premiere light and fast but still skis great boot, i find it odd that the transition now is longer than their beefier boot, the Hoji (excellent boot). The hoji utilizes a single throw rear latch which tightens the upper cuff, the booster strap, and locks the cuff. Similarly, dynafits premier race boot, the DNA (rebranded Pierre Gignoux Race 400) also tightens the upper cuff and locks it with a single throw of a latch. The TLT8 requires you to throw a side latch which locks and tightens the upper cuff, but you have to tighten to booster strap separately. You can remove the strap but it improves skiability. (Side note: the booster strap is far superior to those like on the Scarpa F1, it utilizes a camlock rather than velcro which should prove more durable and is easier to adjust.) So the next iteration imo should either adopt a version like the Hojis or like the DNA.
Summary/whose it for: light and fast users who want a strong boot for the downhill and want to not notice what's on their feet on the up. Comparatively i find it has the strongest ski performance in the weight class, and accommodates wider feet the best of any boot off the shelf. Dynafit also has an excellent warranty service.
*final note: the dynafit tlt 7/8 and hoji all utilize the speednose which is a unique design that eliminated the front welt. This serves several purposes, it allows shorter bsls, it provides a more natural pivot point (pins under toes rather than in front of them) which reduces fatigue and makes a more natural stride) and lastly if you climb ice in ski boots like i do, it allows for higher performance by allow the frontpoints to be closer to the boot rather than protruding far in front. This has the same effect of reducing the overall lever of your ankle and foot, thereby alleviating calf strain and allowing more precise placements. Ive climbed about 30 days of ice in Hojis (the same toe) and find the tech to work, both providing a more secure fit and compatible with any semi automatic toe piece on the market. I put a semi auto toe piece on my grivel g20s and havent thought about it sense. Some folks complain about this innovation, but they are probably unaware that a properly fitted semi auto crampon is both more secure than a fully automatic, and allows again for closer frontpoints for improved performance . To the haters who refuse to buy the boot because theyve been misled that you can only climb ice with full autos, i suggest breaking out of your shell and getting with the times, you wont miss it! After leading my ice block, i in fact watched my partners full auto crampon sheer sideways off of his boot while leading. You cant experience that with a semi auto! It's safer!
I have not submitted this as an official review yet because i do not believe in giving full reviews after only a month. I intend on releasing a full review at the end of the season. Thanks, and if you have questions let me know! Dynafit #speedup
If you find that the TLT8 is too "soft" in flex for your tastes and your ski style, you might consider trying something more in the "freeride" boot category (née "beef boots), since those boots will be designed with a very hard-charging skier in mind. What's more, how much stiffness a skier demands is almost certainly correlated more highly with skiing style than it is with weight. I'm well over 90kg/200lbs with my touring kit and backpack on and the TLT8 Carbonio is approximately as stiff as I would ever want a touring boot (not a race boot, mind you) to be. If anything, I prefer my (four-season old) TLT7s precisely because they have a more pronounced progressive flex.
If I had my way, we in the backcountry-ski world would stop chasing "stiffer" boots and turn our focus to boots with a more controlled flex and more active "suspension" (as the Coloradans on the Blister Podcast call it). Stiffness is, in a sense, a false narrative. If all we cared about were running the stiffest possible boots for the weight we'd all be on Alien 3.0s with modified Kevlar attachment points ála Benjamin Chamoux.
I've used both normal TLT8 and Carbonio, and the latter to me are "too stiff" while the normal ones lack of progression but performs (TO ME) better than carbonio either way.
What it seems hard to achieve in this boot range is indeed progression, meaning the good amount of feedback and stability over increasing pressure we might put on the boot.
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