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Dynafit TLT8 Expedition CR Boot

Brand: Dynafit
Model: TLT8 Expedition
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The boot for the unwashed masses, the common backcountry skier who has big dreams but sleeps through the alarm as often as they make it out of bed in time! Don't misunderstand, this boot is top-of-the-line European engineering at its finest: with tech like the Speed Nose and Cramp-In system, who else besides Dynafit could have designed it? No, the only common or unwashed thing about this boot is the foot that goes inside it. The capabilities of the TLT8 Expedition boot place it in the middle of the road between the lycra-wearing skimo racer and the couloir-skiing, peak-bagging ski mountaineer. With a nearly friction-free 60 degree range of motion, the TLT8 Expedition is ready to walk all day, even if you aren't, and an updated, simple two-part buckle system gets you cinched down and ready to ski faster and easier than the previous model. A stiff Lambda frame serves as the skeleton of the boot, while the fully moldable CR boot liner can be fit to cater to all your strange podiatric needs. This is a boot which you will love from your first day until your last day.

  • Extra roomy 103mm last and Dynafit's moldable CR liner make for a very comfortable and customizable boot.
  • Ultra Lock 4.0 has an updated glove-friendly lever, but is otherwise unchanged because the previous systems have worked so darn well.
  • Compatible with the Cramp-In crampon system, the TLT8 Expedition streamlines crampon use and give users a unique automatic crampon option.
  • Lambda frame provides the power and structure that makes this boot ski so solidly, and a slightly taller cuff now further enhances that power transmission.
  • Two ratcheting buckles replace the single cable closure system seen on the TLT7 line, greatly simplifying a system that mostly worked but felt somewhat complex.
  • The Dynafit Speed Nose moves the burly Master Step inserts back a few millimeters towards the ball of the feet, leading to a more ergonomic pivot and eliminating some weight by losing the toe lugs.

Specifications
Weight
-> ounces
1211g [27.0]
Weight (pair) 2422g [27.0]
Buckles Ultra Lock 4.0
Boot Sole Length 273mm [25/25.5]
283mm [26/26.5]
293mm [27/27.5]
303mm [28/28.5]
313mm [29/29.5]
323mm [30/30.5]
Binding Compatibility Tech only
Cuff Rotation 60°
Forward Lean(s) 15°, 18°
Specs Verified Yes
Design
Materials Shell - Grilamid, Cuff - Grilamid with glass fibers
Liner Custom Ready
Sole Formula Pomoca Climb
Skimo Co Says
Usage Ski touring of all kinds in cold conditions.
Notes Warm, comfy and adjustable addition to the TLT family.
Bottom Line Superior TLTs for your next Expedition.
2/20/2020
Question from Dane
 
I've seen the comparison charts. Nice work. But I was asking about shell only weights on the 2 versions of the TLT8. ot been able to find that info. The 120 flex number I was repeating from other Internet info. Flex numbers mean little in the grand scheme but boot to boot comparisons are easy enough with boots on hand. How about a direct comparison of the Expedition and the Carbon version for flex? And actual shell only numbers on the two boots? Thanks!
2/21/2020
Answer from TSB
 
Hey Dane, for shell-only at size 27.0, the Carbonio comes in at 962g and the Expedition at 976g. Forward flex differences between the two models can be summarized as "subtle," but the Carbonio definitely has an edge for bigger or more backseat skiers.
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2/20/2020
Question from Dane
 
Previous answer on the stiffness of this boot was interesting but not a huge help :) So we know the Exp is softer than the supposed 120 flex of the Carbonio. Where does this boot fall in the TLT comparison? Are we talking soft like a green tongue TLT 6 Mtn or a green tonque in a TLT 6 P? From what I can gather this boot's shell and the Carbonio shells have to be pretty close in weight. Anyone bother to weigh like shells?
2/20/2020
Answer from jbo
 
Hi Dane, the Carbonio is not a 120. For what it's worth, we've weighed the shells and liners of every boot that we've carried. This TLT comparison might help.
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1/31/2020
by Anthony O (used product regularly)
 
Product familiarity: I used the tlt7 last year for about 50 days before i broke the cables, the tlt 7 shares the same shell lower, but the 8 has a slightly different upper cuff and tongue, and uses reworked buckles. I have about 60 hours in the tlt 8 so far, just hitting 99k vert for the month of january with most of that being in this boot. I just did 9k of vert in them yesterday. No foot problems! Ive skied skis from 80mm to 106mm in and out of bounds in my home range of the Cascades and a short trip up to Nelson BC for some backcountry goodies. I even skied about 8k vert of bottomless powder with my heel strapped down by nothing but a voile strap with this boot! I do not identify as a freeskier but ive taken them off airs and drops including a 20 footer i accidentally hit because i couldnt see anything, no issues (coincidentally i only stuck the landing because i couldnt see).

Initial Thoughts: the TLT8 is a refinement on the TLT 7 that fixes most of its main problems. The new buckle system provides a more dialed fit, more durability, and what I perceive to be a slightly taller cuff height which results in significantly noticeable skiing improvement. I have also used the new 2020 atomic backland, one of this boots main competitors, and find the TLT 8 expedition to be significantly stiffer than the backland, both of which are stiffer than the fischer travers carbon. Ironically the TLT8 also comes in the sexy green TLT8 Carbonio edition which I was not cool enough to receive
2/1/2020
Reply from Anthony O
 
Fit: Fit is very subjective, however we can note a few things, same fit as TLT7 (which is noticably wider and higher volume than the TLT6). This therefore is the widest available touring boot on the market with a stated last of 103.5. It is extremely comfortable for my feet, i drive, get groceries, and pretty much do anything with it unimpeded. Another fitment note is that Scarpa has primarily gone to carbon infused grilamid which they say you shouldnt punch (side note: you can, but it voids warranty and is very hard to do). Atomic uses memory fit which bakes the entire shell, but also requires special equipment and makes the plastic less responsive to pinpoint punching. What this means is that if you have ugly feet with bunions and bulges, this is one of the few remaining boots that is extremely easy for bootfitters to work with, and amateurs like myself to punch in my garage without specialty equipment. If you have a typical "north american foot" ie generally wider forefoot with a medium to narrow heel, then you may like this boot. It doesnt require you to have pointed ballerina feet like all the other lightweight 2 buckle boots (and it skis better, though obviously whatever fits you best will ski best, but this is the stiffest option).

Stuff that they need to fix but isnt a deal breaker: user serviceable upper cuff pivot joint. For some reason dynafit has been dragging their heels on a user servicable cuff joint. For biking nerds out there, the system they use is reminiscent of a pressfit BB. This means that they press the joint together at a factory. It works, but the more you use the boot, the more play develops in the joint between the upper and lower cuff. It also creates a slight amount of friction. Other manufacturers, like atomic, utilize a frictionless pivot that can be retightened at home, instead of having to be sent back to dynafit and repressed. The other option is to buy the B&D Ski gear ultimate cuff pivot, drill out the pressfit pivot, and install (not too terrible, ive done it on the Dynafit PDG 2). And drilling your boot will void warranty. This is a very easy fix for dynafit, specifically because they partner with Pierre Gignoux which uses a user servicable cuff on all boots, so Dynafit does know how to do it properly.

Secondly, as their premiere light and fast but still skis great boot, i find it odd that the transition now is longer than their beefier boot, the Hoji (excellent boot). The hoji utilizes a single throw rear latch which tightens the upper cuff, the booster strap, and locks the cuff. Similarly, dynafits premier race boot, the DNA (rebranded Pierre Gignoux Race 400) also tightens the upper cuff and locks it with a single throw of a latch. The TLT8 requires you to throw a side latch which locks and tightens the upper cuff, but you have to tighten to booster strap separately. You can remove the strap but it improves skiability. (Side note: the booster strap is far superior to those like on the Scarpa F1, it utilizes a camlock rather than velcro which should prove more durable and is easier to adjust.) So the next iteration imo should either adopt a version like the Hojis or like the DNA.

Summary/whose it for: light and fast users who want a strong boot for the downhill and want to not notice what's on their feet on the up. Comparatively i find it has the strongest ski performance in the weight class, and accommodates wider feet the best of any boot off the shelf. Dynafit also has an excellent warranty service.

*final note: the dynafit tlt 7/8 and hoji all utilize the speednose which is a unique design that eliminated the front welt. This serves several purposes, it allows shorter bsls, it provides a more natural pivot point (pins under toes rather than in front of them) which reduces fatigue and makes a more natural stride) and lastly if you climb ice in ski boots like i do, it allows for higher performance by allow the frontpoints to be closer to the boot rather than protruding far in front. This has the same effect of reducing the overall lever of your ankle and foot, thereby alleviating calf strain and allowing more precise placements. Ive climbed about 30 days of ice in Hojis (the same toe) and find the tech to work, both providing a more secure fit and compatible with any semi automatic toe piece on the market. I put a semi auto toe piece on my grivel g20s and havent thought about it sense. Some folks complain about this innovation, but they are probably unaware that a properly fitted semi auto crampon is both more secure than a fully automatic, and allows again for closer frontpoints for improved performance . To the haters who refuse to buy the boot because theyve been misled that you can only climb ice with full autos, i suggest breaking out of your shell and getting with the times, you wont miss it! After leading my ice block, i in fact watched my partners full auto crampon sheer sideways off of his boot while leading. You cant experience that with a semi auto! It's safer!

I have not submitted this as an official review yet because i do not believe in giving full reviews after only a month. I intend on releasing a full review at the end of the season. Thanks, and if you have questions let me know! Dynafit #speedup
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1/27/2020
Question from John L
 
I've had a pair of TLT7 Performance boots for two years and they came closer to fitting my wide feet right out of the box than any other AT boot I've tried. I do mostly backcountry touring with an occasional pathetic attempt at rando racing. I'm thinking of getting the TLT8's for a bit more support/control on the downhills while keeping the weight light, but I'm concerned that I read Dynafit may have narrowed them back down for those skinny-footed Euro types! Also, the CR liner in the 8's probably takes up more volume than the CL in the 7's? I normally wear 28.5 for length but have frequently had to trade off to a bigger size to cram my EE foot into in the past. What do you think, would the 28.5 TLT8 still be a reasonable fit for me, should I try the 29, or is there another boot I should be looking at?
1/27/2020
Answer from TSB
 
Hey John! The only thing that's "pathetic" about skimo racing is how lame it is when you don't do it... in our opinion. The TLT8 should be a pretty good bet for a bit more boot than a true skimo race option, but with plenty of range of motion and a 1200g weight. Dynafit has kept the last pretty wide in the TLT7 and 8, but if you are a true EE width you may still find it restrictive. If you are going to bump up to the warmer liner in the Expedition model, going up a shell size to 29.0 may not be a bad idea!
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1/13/2020
Question from Christian
 
Curious what the flex is on these? I have previously skied the TLT6 and loved them with tongues, but could barely stand skiing down w/o tongues; currently I ski without the tongues in Vulcans for all my backcountry skiing. I found the flex of the F1 to not be quite as stiff as I like. I know you (probably) can't read minds, but what are your thoughts on how I might like the flex of these? Or for the extra 100g or so, would the Zero G's do better?
1/13/2020
Answer from TSB
 
Hi Christian! Clearly you belong in an efficiency-focused German-designed boot, and maybe some wiener schnitzel as a post-ski snack. The TLT series has, across the comparable models, become consistently stiffer and more performative since the TLT5, so I think you'd find the TLT8 (Expedition) flex to be at least as stiff as the TLT6 (Mountain) with tongues in. You could also consider the even-stiffer cuff on the Carbonio version, maybe with a side of schwarzbier.
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