Thanks Will!
In my case, the further question is: given the tight fit that I currently have with my blown out liners, will this thinner liner end up sloppy or simply provide the additional volume that I need?
With that said, it's width and height at the fifth metatarsal (typical 6th toe) that is currently compromised and I wonder if the thinner liner may resolve without need to punch the shell. For what it's worth, I'm using a high-volume full-cork molded footbed (totally pancake without).
I understand that it's difficult to recommend a fit without a foot to work with, but just want to double-check and wonder if you can provide the foam thickness for those original, first generation Procline Carbon (orange shell) Support liners.
Thanks again - I'm looking forward to dropping in a fresh liner ASAP - cheers!
Palau Ultralight Race Liners
The Ultralight liners from Palau are designed for skimo racing boots and other high performance applications. With an overlap design, they hug your calves while keeping the snow off your socks. The highly-rated EVA foam is thermo-moldable and adapts to your ankle movement. The Palau ultralights are designed to be compatible with Alien, Syborg, Cube, and other lightweight setups. If your race liners are beat, the French liner experts have you covered.
- 100% closed-cell EVA foam is light and thermo-moldable.
- 7mm thick version is enough to keep you warm while racing (Tour Lite Ultra).
- 5mm is thin-to-win, offering unparalleled walking capabilities (Ultra Preformance).
- Overlap design offers support and the perfect calf-fit.
- Front pull tab helps situate the liner in your boot.
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2/4/2021
2/5/2021
Bob,
Unfortunately, we do not have any specific liner thickness information for that boot. If you want to do more of a deep dive into how to best fit your boot you can always email us at help@skimo.co.
Unfortunately, we do not have any specific liner thickness information for that boot. If you want to do more of a deep dive into how to best fit your boot you can always email us at help@skimo.co.
2/5/2021
Hey Bob, I'd say there's a good chance you may end up with excess volume in other locations and being too sloppy. The best way to go would likely be to get the shell punched and use a thinner volume insole like Superfeet Carbon or a Masterfit custom footbed. The Masterfits are the thinnest volume custom insoles we've found!
2/6/2021
Thanks! Great info and totally answers my questions - much appreciated.
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2/3/2021
Hi - thoughts on these as a replacement for Arc'teryx Procline Carbon, 27, Support liner? I'm still very snug all-around at the end of the liner's life cycle and may consider punching the shell for additional volume.
Thanks!
Thanks!
2/3/2021
Hey Bob,
We actually recommend using a Palau Tour Lite Pro Evo as a replacement liner for this boot. It performs just as well as the stock on the up & the down. The Ultralight Race liner will be quite a bit thinner.
We actually recommend using a Palau Tour Lite Pro Evo as a replacement liner for this boot. It performs just as well as the stock on the up & the down. The Ultralight Race liner will be quite a bit thinner.
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12/15/2020
I'm getting conflicted info in the reviews-- anyone want to say something definitive? I have atomic ultimate 27/27.5 boots, with the orange sock liner. If i'm getting a replacement 5mm ultralight liner, should I get size 27, or should they be sized down to 26?
12/16/2020
Hey Mrp, I would just stick with the 27 liners because these ultralight liners already run a bit downsized.
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12/13/2020
Liner sizing question/confirmation. Hi: I’m looking to replace the stock liners in a pair of Atomic Backland Ultimate boots (2018 orange sock). Based on previously questions seem like the ultralight 5mm is a good replacement. Boot size is 26/26.5. Based on my understanding this would be a size 25 liner due to the shell size difference with this boot? Many thanks for the help!
12/14/2020
Hey Sjaan, I would actually end up going with 26 or 26.5 liner option. The race liners do tend to run small.
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11/15/2020
I am trying to replace the liners in my Dynafit Evo’s 26.5. Would this be a good fit or would the PDG liners make a better fit?
11/16/2020
Hey Breton, either of these liners could work quite well but right now we are very limited in replacement liners for the PDG liners. Looks like these Ultralight liners will be your best option.
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10/18/2020
Is the Palau Ultralight Race Liner taller than the liner that comes in the Dynafit TLT7?
10/19/2020
Hi Robert,
What model of TLT7 are you referencing? Is it the TLT7 Carbonio/Performance, or is it the TLT7 Expedition? They have a very minor discrepancy in length. In size 29.5 the TLT7 Carbonio/Performance vary between 27 and 31.5cm, depending if you measure at the tongue or the rear of the boot. The Expedition varies between 28 and 31.5cm. The Palau Ultralight Race Liner varies between 30 or 30.5cm, with the medial lateral sides of the liner being the high points. Therefore, the Palau Liner comes in 2 to 3cm higher in the tongue.
What model of TLT7 are you referencing? Is it the TLT7 Carbonio/Performance, or is it the TLT7 Expedition? They have a very minor discrepancy in length. In size 29.5 the TLT7 Carbonio/Performance vary between 27 and 31.5cm, depending if you measure at the tongue or the rear of the boot. The Expedition varies between 28 and 31.5cm. The Palau Ultralight Race Liner varies between 30 or 30.5cm, with the medial lateral sides of the liner being the high points. Therefore, the Palau Liner comes in 2 to 3cm higher in the tongue.
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I picked up these liners as a replacement to the stock liners for the 2018 Atomic Backland Ultimate boots. I love my boots so much I've beaten up the old liners in about one year and 50 days of hard PNW use.
The Palau Ultralight Race 5mm Liners are a GREAT REPLACEMENT for the stock backland liners.
I have now skied in them three times for 3 major ski mountaineering objectives (Mt. Adams/summit &SW Chutes, Mt. Hood/summit & old chute, Mount Shuksan) and they worked fantastic!
- They fit the boot very well!
- They are much easier to don/doff than the original sock style!
- They actually provide a little extra padding where the boot shell ends, this was my one complaint about the stock liners because it made side hilling not so enjoyable. But the new liners solve this problem.
Highly recommend these liners! I don't think I'll be going back to stock liners!
The Palau Ultralight Race 5mm Liners are a GREAT REPLACEMENT for the stock backland liners.
I have now skied in them three times for 3 major ski mountaineering objectives (Mt. Adams/summit &SW Chutes, Mt. Hood/summit & old chute, Mount Shuksan) and they worked fantastic!
- They fit the boot very well!
- They are much easier to don/doff than the original sock style!
- They actually provide a little extra padding where the boot shell ends, this was my one complaint about the stock liners because it made side hilling not so enjoyable. But the new liners solve this problem.
Highly recommend these liners! I don't think I'll be going back to stock liners!
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6/11/2020
I have a pair of Atomic Backland Ultimate boots (2018 vintage) that I have beat the crap out of my liners for. Would these lines be a viable replacement? My boots are still in great shape, just looking to replace the "sock" style liner. Thanks in advance.
6/12/2020
Brad, glad to hear you have been enjoying your Backland Ultimate boots. The Palau ultralight race liner in the 5mm option will work best with those boots and resemble the stock liners the closest.
6/27/2020
Thanks Cole for the reply! I bought the liners and have used them on three big ski mountaineering objectives and love them. I wrote a more detailed review below.
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4/19/2020
Is the 5 mm compatible with the Alien 1.1?
4/20/2020
Hey Austin, the overall thickness of the 5mm Palau would suit the Alien 1.1 decently well, but it would make the BOA closure over the forefoot sit too low on the arch to function decently. Of course, you could modify the tongue of the boot with some closed-cell foam, but you can't graft foam onto the front of the Palau wrap liners as it would cause an asymmetry. Your best bet if you're looking for a replacement 1.1 liner is just to get the one that's available from Scarpa/Intuition, and then mod their OEM product to your heart's content.
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2/7/2020
Hi,
What would you recommend as a thinner, replacement liner for the Alien RS? Would these guys do the trick and what size is appropriate for a 27.0? Do I just order the size of the boot, I haven’t done this before? Also, I’m looking to thermo mood these a tad wider. Do you have the plug things to put on your toes when your molding? Finally would you recommend the 5mm or 7mm. I’m currently using and old dynafit tlt something liner that I’ve shaved off the sides of to accommodate my wide foot in this shell. Any insight would be great!
Best, Jesse
What would you recommend as a thinner, replacement liner for the Alien RS? Would these guys do the trick and what size is appropriate for a 27.0? Do I just order the size of the boot, I haven’t done this before? Also, I’m looking to thermo mood these a tad wider. Do you have the plug things to put on your toes when your molding? Finally would you recommend the 5mm or 7mm. I’m currently using and old dynafit tlt something liner that I’ve shaved off the sides of to accommodate my wide foot in this shell. Any insight would be great!
Best, Jesse
2/8/2020
Hey Jesse, thanks for reaching out! You should be able to use the same size, but the thickness will be based on personal preference! We usually don't recommend the Alien RS for wide feet, but it is possible to punch that boot in a pinch. The stock liner is thicker but less dense foam than 7mm, so they may be comparable. The 5mm will give you more width, but possibly too much volume in other locations.
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2/4/2020
I have a question of the suitability of this liner in the 7mm version.
I purchased my alien 1.0 boots (v1 yellow) way back, when they first went on sale. At this time they had the ridiculously thin yellow and black wrap liners, these were more like wearing 2 pairs of socks and made the later pull on boot liners look like alpine race liners in comparison. My feet are MP 27, but due to low volume, the Alien in 27 was never going to work, so I got the 28. I threw the stock liners and instead used the dynafit race TF liner from the very first DyNA boot and the yellow tlt6 performance. This liner in a 27, fitted perfectly in my 28 shell and has worked well for many years. Now having been through 2 pairs, the 2nd pair are now ready for the trash.
The obvious replacement is the tongued grey 7mm tour lite pro, this is pretty much an identical liner to the dyna TF liner. In a size 27 this works well in the alien 28 shell. But, part of me is keen to go to a wrap liner over the tongue design. So my question is, do you think the palau ultralite wrap liner in 7mm, size 27 will work out? Now I know that 7mm is 7mm in whichever liner, but the the ultralite is made of the more flexi EVA SD foam and I am concerned that it may pack out quickly. What do you think, palau tongued or Palau wrap? Any advice gratefully recieved, thanks.
I purchased my alien 1.0 boots (v1 yellow) way back, when they first went on sale. At this time they had the ridiculously thin yellow and black wrap liners, these were more like wearing 2 pairs of socks and made the later pull on boot liners look like alpine race liners in comparison. My feet are MP 27, but due to low volume, the Alien in 27 was never going to work, so I got the 28. I threw the stock liners and instead used the dynafit race TF liner from the very first DyNA boot and the yellow tlt6 performance. This liner in a 27, fitted perfectly in my 28 shell and has worked well for many years. Now having been through 2 pairs, the 2nd pair are now ready for the trash.
The obvious replacement is the tongued grey 7mm tour lite pro, this is pretty much an identical liner to the dyna TF liner. In a size 27 this works well in the alien 28 shell. But, part of me is keen to go to a wrap liner over the tongue design. So my question is, do you think the palau ultralite wrap liner in 7mm, size 27 will work out? Now I know that 7mm is 7mm in whichever liner, but the the ultralite is made of the more flexi EVA SD foam and I am concerned that it may pack out quickly. What do you think, palau tongued or Palau wrap? Any advice gratefully recieved, thanks.
2/4/2020
Hey Simon, thanks for reaching out! It sounds like you are extremely dialed on your liners so I may recommend ordering one of each so that you can get the exact fit you are looking for (or even keep both so that you can have some liner choice!). That said, for a boot with a very skinny cuff such as the Alien 1.0, the Palau wrap (aka Ultralight 7mm) may fit in a bit better and allow more snug cuff-tensioning.
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1/11/2020
Would you recommend these liners for LaSportiva Raceborg? Thx!
1/11/2020
Hey Cliff, unfortunately we're not carrying the RaceBorg so I can't do an in-person try-out, but I'd bet the 7mm would be a good fit!
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10/18/2019
Looking for a replacemt liner for some first Gen Maestrale RS boots. Would the 7mm work well or would I want a higher volume liner?
10/19/2019
Hey Christopher, unless you're looking to change the feel and performance of the boot quite a bit, I wouldn't recommend the Palau race liners for a Maestrale RS. The direct replacement for a new Maestrale liner is the Pro Flex G from Intuition (https://skimo.co/scarpa-liners), which will be thicker, warmer and stiffer than a race liner.
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2/22/2019
What replacement liners would you recommend (Palau or any others) for Alien 3.0s?
2/22/2019
Alex, Sorry there is not anything that would really stand in for the liner that comes with the boot.
I looked at Scarpas list of replacement items and they do not list it. Have you tried to contact Scarpa ?
I looked at Scarpas list of replacement items and they do not list it. Have you tried to contact Scarpa ?
2/25/2019
Yes I contacted them, they told me they could not sell directly and asked me to contact a US dealer! So you don't have a replacement option for the boot liners?
3/21/2019
Hi Alex, we don't have any bikini liners in stock. Let us know what size you need and we can try for you.
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1/18/2019
I have size 29 Aliens, my street shoe size is normally 10.5/28.5.... would the 28.5 liner swim in the shell or is there not a big difference in volume in the half size?
1/18/2019
Hi Mike, we generally advise sizing the liner to the size of the shell. I would suggest a 29 unless you have a specific reason for wanting to go with a different size.
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7/8/2018
How thick is the sole on these?
Thanks
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7/9/2018
Hey Ted! The thickness of the sole seems to be right in line with the thickness of rest of the foam in the liner, meaning if you get a 5mm liner then the sole is probably about 5mm thick, same theory goes for the 7mm. I skied in the 7mm for a long time and didn't really notice any huge increase/decrease in volume that was related directly to the sole.
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I bought the 7mm to replace worn out Alien 1.0 liners. Very comfortable. Nice and warm. Thanks to the overlap design, I now enjoy getting into my Alien 1.0's without having to slip the liners on first (and removing my foot from both the liner and boot). Though the foam is not nearly as dense as the stock 1.0 liners, I get a sense that these have increased ski performance compared to the stock 1.0 liner (perhaps due to the overlap design?). When comparing these side-by-side, the Palau liners are thicker than the 1.0 liners and don't have the neoprene cut outs, hence the ankle articulation is slightly stiffer. However once I started skinning, I didn't feel any noticeable difference. These come up considerably higher than the Alien 1.0 liners, well above the cuff. These liners also fit into my TLT7's quite well, and I imagine they would make a good replacement for those boots...though I have not actually used that combination. These are moldable, but I didn't bake them. The first 3 tours felt a bit tight. However, these are thin race liners and seemed to mold themselves, and they now feel great.
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3/16/2018
Will the 5mm work in an alien 1.0. Looking to replace the liner and can not find a 26.0 liner anywhere in the US. The original alien liner was a good fit so looking to match that.
3/16/2018
Hi Brian, yes, these are designed for race boots such as the Aliens. The 5mm is close to the stock liner so should work well for you.
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1/8/2018
is the 7mm or 5mm better suited for the la sportiva syborg?
1/8/2018
Hi shawnie, that depends on your foot! The 5mm is closer to the stock liner though.
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12/4/2017
Hi Skimo,
I currently have Palau 8mm tongue liners in my Dynafit TLT 6's, but am thinking of trying an overlap liner for better comfort and performance.
Would you recommend the Ultralight Performance in the 7mm thickness to try?
Thanks
Fred
I currently have Palau 8mm tongue liners in my Dynafit TLT 6's, but am thinking of trying an overlap liner for better comfort and performance.
Would you recommend the Ultralight Performance in the 7mm thickness to try?
Thanks
Fred
12/4/2017
Hey Frederick, thanks for reaching out. I think this liner has pretty excellent potential to work for you unless you are already running the buckles on the instep and cuff as tight as possible! Because the liner is 1mm thinner, you may have to buckle the boot a bit tighter, so if you're doing that already then I think a thicker liner would work better for you, otherwise this is a great option!
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