Hey I was wondering how these might compare to the Armada Locator 112s.
I'm 5'8 and 195lbs.
I love big heavy skis love the Cochise 184s for in bounds and DPS Alchemist Lotus' of similar length for inbounds deep days. I have some old Huascaran 178s that I love, but I'm becoming a way better skier and I'm looking out swapping out for a big long, powder (maybe light) ski that could also deal with the Cement of my beloved North Cascades! So I'd be looking at the longest length probably.
I think I could handle 187s unless you have other thoughts.
Lemme know what you think!
DPS Pagoda Tour 112 Ski
Behold, the DPS empire has moved to the Far East with the Pagoda line, but the banana shapes of their previous Jamaican-reggae skis have stuck around for the trip. Longtime Skimo Co shoppers will remember our remarks on the last iteration of the Wailer 112: "the rockered profile perfectly integrated with the buttery sidecut makes skiing too easy," we concluded. "As such, we don't recommend even tempting yourself with this ski." Confounding our best efforts, the Tour1 Wailer 112 put DPS on the map for backcountry powder hogs and became a best-selling, award-winning ski year after year. The Pagoda Tour construction adds scant grams on the scale, but ups the performance to previously-unimaginable levels of deep-snow excellence. Damp, predictable, and impressively stable at high speeds, the Pagoda 112RP will keep you on top effortlessly while laying down perfect Wasatch wiggles on a bottomless day. But it's in less-than-perfect conditions that the Pagoda really stands out from its predecessor, with the added damping of the foam core, wood stringers, and 3rd Rail Technology keeping the ski stable when the 3% blower up high turns to cut-up, sun-baked mank down low. Whether you're on a hut trip to the Canadian Interior or skiing the South Face of Superior after a storm, the DPS Pagoda Tour 112 RP has an almost telepathic feel and will keep your legs fresh lap after lap. DPS's Pagodas were engineered with the future in mind, while the shape and feel are staying true to their powder-loving roots.
- The long-awaited successor to the best-selling Wailer 112.
- Pagoda ski line has matched the best characteristics of the Tour1 and Alchemist/Pure3 lines for an easy-skiing experience.
- Ash and paulownia stringers keep the ski light on the ascent, and very happy in the deepest of powder.
- Aerospace-grade foam core gives an unbelievably damp feel that shines in the crud.
- Textured polyamide topsheet keeps snow and ice off your ski when the skies open up and drop the white stuff.
- World Cup race-grade base material leads to fast gliding skis and is well paired with DPS's Phantom 2.0 treatment.
- 3rd Rail Technology is a stringer that combats vibration and increases stability.
Update 2022/23: DPS made minor changes to the core construction with the addition of their 3rd Rail Technology. The topsheet art has also been updated.
| Specifications | |
| Lengths (cm) | 158, 168, 178, 184 |
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Weight |
1280g [158] 1380g [168] 1560g [178] 1620g [184] 1685g [189] |
| Weight (pair) | 2560g [158] 2760g [168] 3120g [178] 3240g [184] 3370g [189] |
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138-112-122 [158] 139-112-124 [168] 140-112-125 [178] 140-112-127 [184] 141-112-129 [189] |
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Turn |
15m |
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Skin |
Rounded tip and tail |
| Specs Verified | Yes |
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Generous tip rocker, camber underfoot, tail rocker |
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Rockered tip, short turning radius, rockered tail |
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Foam core with ash and paulownia stringers, 3rd Rail Technology, and World Cup race base |
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Aerospace-grade foam with ash and paulownia stringers and 3rd Rail Technology |
| Skimo Co Says | |
| Usage | Deep powder touring, speed encouraged |
| Notes | Award-winning 112 RP shape with the updated Pagoda tour construction |
| Bottom Line | A powder ski that somehow makes powder even smoother |
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Questions & Reviews
2/22/2024
2/22/2024
Hi Jesse,
They are fairly different skis! Both are 112 underfoot, damp, and powerful, but the similarities mostly end there. The DPS RP shape is very rockered and has a tremendous amount of tip splay, as well as tons of taper at the tip and a very short turn radius. All of this is designed to deliver a turny, tip-up attitude in deep snow for the skier who wants effortless control of their skis when it's super deep, and likes to make shorter to medium radius turns.
The Locator 112 has a much longer turn radius, less sidecut, and less rocker. It also has more energy stored in its camber. The Locator will want to make longer, slarvier turns and has lots of energy and rebound. It is a super fun ski for a skier who wants to put a bit more input into their skis, and potentially ski a bit faster in powder. It won't float as effortlessly tip-up as the Pagodas, but it is still a great choice for deep days. I think it would be a bit more capable on firmer and variable, steep terrain as well.
While you could certainly handle the 187cm length at 195lbs and a strong, aggressive skier, I think a 184-ish ski might be a bit better balance for the demands of touring, which also requires you to kick-turn and jump-turn your way through terrain. But if you are really drawn to a longer ski, go for it. I will say the Locator will ski longer for the length than the DPS, you might want to be more careful with sizing that one up.
They are fairly different skis! Both are 112 underfoot, damp, and powerful, but the similarities mostly end there. The DPS RP shape is very rockered and has a tremendous amount of tip splay, as well as tons of taper at the tip and a very short turn radius. All of this is designed to deliver a turny, tip-up attitude in deep snow for the skier who wants effortless control of their skis when it's super deep, and likes to make shorter to medium radius turns.
The Locator 112 has a much longer turn radius, less sidecut, and less rocker. It also has more energy stored in its camber. The Locator will want to make longer, slarvier turns and has lots of energy and rebound. It is a super fun ski for a skier who wants to put a bit more input into their skis, and potentially ski a bit faster in powder. It won't float as effortlessly tip-up as the Pagodas, but it is still a great choice for deep days. I think it would be a bit more capable on firmer and variable, steep terrain as well.
While you could certainly handle the 187cm length at 195lbs and a strong, aggressive skier, I think a 184-ish ski might be a bit better balance for the demands of touring, which also requires you to kick-turn and jump-turn your way through terrain. But if you are really drawn to a longer ski, go for it. I will say the Locator will ski longer for the length than the DPS, you might want to be more careful with sizing that one up.
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2/3/2024
Hi,
I ski the 100 Pagoda RP 179cm as daily drivers in the Northeast but want to put together a POW set for out west and Europe. I. 5’11” and 175 gear up. I’ve skied the 100 RP in 184 and they were a tad long at times in the east but very manageable. Should I go for the 178cm or grab the 184. I know their mount position is a little further back on the 112 than the 100 too. My buddy is 5’8” and skis the 178cm as his daily driver.
Thanks,
I ski the 100 Pagoda RP 179cm as daily drivers in the Northeast but want to put together a POW set for out west and Europe. I. 5’11” and 175 gear up. I’ve skied the 100 RP in 184 and they were a tad long at times in the east but very manageable. Should I go for the 178cm or grab the 184. I know their mount position is a little further back on the 112 than the 100 too. My buddy is 5’8” and skis the 178cm as his daily driver.
Thanks,
2/5/2024
Hi Shane,
They will feel pretty similar to the 100s that you have, just a bit wider! If you sometimes wish you'd gone smaller, I would consider the 178cm - you aren't too big for it. You're right between sizes, could go either way. With the 112, it's such a wide ski that you don't really need the extra float of the longer length (unless it's going to be extremely, crazy deep), but of course, you could handle the 184cm if you like it. It won't feel too different from your 100s, just wider.
They will feel pretty similar to the 100s that you have, just a bit wider! If you sometimes wish you'd gone smaller, I would consider the 178cm - you aren't too big for it. You're right between sizes, could go either way. With the 112, it's such a wide ski that you don't really need the extra float of the longer length (unless it's going to be extremely, crazy deep), but of course, you could handle the 184cm if you like it. It won't feel too different from your 100s, just wider.
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1/23/2024
Will the ATK 108mm crampon work with this ski? Or should I get the 120mm crampon?
1/23/2024
Hi Gregory, the 108s don't have enough internal width and don't bend so you will need the 120s.
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1/5/2024
Hey - there's 2023 Pagoda Tour 112 s and 2024 Pagoda Tour 112 carbon- are these the carbon updated Pagoda tour 112s? Thanks! - Eric
1/5/2024
Hi Eric, there is only one version of this ski in terms of construction, though there are some special topsheets available. I've seen the word Carbon used in the name only in select places, but it's inside all the skis.
1/5/2024
Oh sweet! DPS themselves name them carbon: https://www.dpsskis.com/products/pagoda-tour-112rp -- is this the above ski? -Eric
1/5/2024
Hi Eric, they call it that on their website but not in their workbooks, strange. The ski was new for 22/23 and not changed for 23/24 (other than the special topsheets I linked). This is the one!
1/5/2024
It seems the weight from the DPS site labelling them "carbon" is 1590g for a 184. Above ski notes 1620g for a 184. Seems the DPS carbon is lighter than the above ski, so how can they be the same ski? - Eric
1/5/2024
OK sweet! That's the one I'm looking for- thanks for the help. -Eric
1/5/2024
Hi Eric, regarding the weight, we weigh several pair and take the average. This is often different than the manufacturer's claimed weight which is generated in pre-production. If you see "Specs Verified = Yes" on our site, that means we weighed it and it should be more accurate than the manufacturer specs.
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12/5/2023
Hi! I'm considering getting these skis in either 158 or 168. I'm a woman, 5'5" and 115lbs. I'm an advanced skier. I'm worried about the 168s giving too much float and less maneuverability than the 158s. Will the 158s be too short though given the rocker? Thanks!
12/5/2023
Hi Sophia! You could go with either length, however, I think the 158cm will suit you better. With the 158cm, you'll promote uphill efficiency while retaining plenty of downhill performance for your size. If you'd like to dive into the details, shoot us an email at help@skimo.co
Thanks!
Thanks!
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2/23/2023
I’m 5’8” 145 lbs and have been skiing the Voile V8in a 176cm ever since Voile first launched the V8. I’m a diehard Teton powder skier with an annual trip to BC. Thinking of giving this DPS tour 112 a try. Looking thru these questions it seems you folks are suggesting going a bit shorter in length to most. I’ve loved my 176 V8s so what do you think for me. 168 or 178. 168 sounds so short!
2/23/2023
Hi Norm, the 178 will feel similar in length to your 176 v8's, not too much of a difference there! If you're happy with that length, I'd get the 178's. Sizing down will gain you some uphill maneuverability and drop some weight, but for optimizing their skiing capabilities, longer will do it.
2/23/2023
Yes to optimizing! That’s what it’s about. Thanks. Now can I borrow some $$ to get these?
2/23/2023
No problem, Norm! Be warned the interest rate is usurious...
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1/27/2023
Hi, I have 183cm and weight 88kgs, which size would you recommend ?
I want to match them with a radical pro boot
I want to match them with a radical pro boot
1/27/2023
Rares- I would suggest the 184cm length at least. You could go longer too if you like longer skis in general.
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1/25/2023
I am 5'3" 145 lbs. Intermediate skier, currently have a pagoda tour 106 in 171cm. A lot of people suggest going longer for powder skis, but the 171s feel like about as long as I'd want to go, so considering these in the 168cm. What do you think? Thanks!
1/25/2023
Mike,
168 should be perfect for a powder ski! Much longer would be difficult to manage on kick turns and in trees.
168 should be perfect for a powder ski! Much longer would be difficult to manage on kick turns and in trees.
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Warning - Since SkiMo is out of stock on the 184cm length, I ordered these skis from one of the other Utah suppliers, NOT SkiMo, and received the DPS Pagoda 112RP, though their description online read "DPS Pagoda Tour 112RP". Apparently, they don't know the difference. I will be keeping these anyway, because I believe they will be good for resort skiing with some sidecountry. To clarify, DPS makes three versions of the Pagoda 112RP, the Pagoda Tour, the Pagoda, and the Pagoda Piste. The normal Pagoda's I got are are a lot heavier than the Pagoda Tours, but have the same dimensions.
I'm using my Pagoda 112RP's in 184cm length with SCARPA Maestrale boots and ATK Crest bindings from SkiMo. They float my 200lbs very well in powder, and work remarkably well in crud and on groomers also.
I'm using my Pagoda 112RP's in 184cm length with SCARPA Maestrale boots and ATK Crest bindings from SkiMo. They float my 200lbs very well in powder, and work remarkably well in crud and on groomers also.
1/18/2023
Thanks Calvin, we just got more 184s, sorry for being out for a hot minute!
1/18/2023
Right on! I just assumed you were out of them for the season. You never know with the supply issues these days.
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1/17/2023
I am looking for a second touring ski next to my Black Cros Camox in 188 cm for softer days. I am 191 cm / 85 kg advanced-expert skier but don't charge hard or fast. I like my Black Crows for hard and mixed conditions but ain't blown away by their performance in soft snow, especially when the snow is on the heavier side.
For such days, I am looking for a playful ski that also is fun in less steep terrain and technical forests. The Pagoda Tour 100 RP seems to fit that bill very well while still striking me as a solid all-rounder. However, I am afraid that the 184 cm length would be a bit on the short side for me.
This makes me consider the Pagoda Tour 112 RP in 189 instead. I initially disregarded this ski since I feared it might compromise too much on all-round performance (realistically most of my touring involves some less-than-ideal conditions) and that I would find too few days to take it out for a tour. Which of the two skis would you recommend for my intended use as a supplement to my Camox?
For such days, I am looking for a playful ski that also is fun in less steep terrain and technical forests. The Pagoda Tour 100 RP seems to fit that bill very well while still striking me as a solid all-rounder. However, I am afraid that the 184 cm length would be a bit on the short side for me.
This makes me consider the Pagoda Tour 112 RP in 189 instead. I initially disregarded this ski since I feared it might compromise too much on all-round performance (realistically most of my touring involves some less-than-ideal conditions) and that I would find too few days to take it out for a tour. Which of the two skis would you recommend for my intended use as a supplement to my Camox?
1/17/2023
Hi Manuel,
The Pagoda Tour 112 are a powder ski through and through, and a really good one too. With that being said, it would not be a stranger to the less-than-ideal conditions. DPS's construction is impressively damp. The Pagoda Tour 100 RP may be better suited for firmer snow conditions but will not excel in the soft snow performance you're after when compared to the 112RP. If you're looking for a more dedicated powder ski that can handle a broad range of conditions the Pagoda Tour 112 RP would be an excellent choice and supplement the Camox quite well.
The Pagoda Tour 112 are a powder ski through and through, and a really good one too. With that being said, it would not be a stranger to the less-than-ideal conditions. DPS's construction is impressively damp. The Pagoda Tour 100 RP may be better suited for firmer snow conditions but will not excel in the soft snow performance you're after when compared to the 112RP. If you're looking for a more dedicated powder ski that can handle a broad range of conditions the Pagoda Tour 112 RP would be an excellent choice and supplement the Camox quite well.
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11/19/2022
I'm a woman, 5'9", 140lbs. I ski Voelkl Kenjas as my all-mountain ski. I want these as my backcountry setup, and for deep resort days. I'm an advanced skier, but I'm not an extreme skier. What length would you recommend?
11/19/2022
Emily- You would want to ski on the 168cm length for the most versatility.
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9/13/2022
I currently ski the RP100 tour's in 171, looking to pick up a wider ski for deep days, BC trips, etc. Do these two skis perform differently enough to justify having both?
For sizing, I'm 5'6", 135#, is 168 the right size for me?
For sizing, I'm 5'6", 135#, is 168 the right size for me?
9/13/2022
Hi Chuck, So happens I have both of them. Both share the same RP design so ski similar. Basically the 112 has a lot more floatation. If you feel your 100 isn't adequate and you get to ski in BC regularly, yes it would be worth it.
If you want a slightly different ski, the other SLC made ski, the Hyper V8 pictured above, is also really fun. A bit longer turn radius, comes in a 171cm that is a tad lighter.
If you want a slightly different ski, the other SLC made ski, the Hyper V8 pictured above, is also really fun. A bit longer turn radius, comes in a 171cm that is a tad lighter.
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9/1/2022
Finally I may have talked my Wife into buying these skis, I have been on Wailers for a decade but she has resisted due to the cost. Wondering about size and binding recommendations…she likes a big ski and has been on Coombacks forever.
She is 5’3 and 120 lbs, 95% touring and never uses brakes. She is not an aggressive skier but an excellent skier.
What think?
She is 5’3 and 120 lbs, 95% touring and never uses brakes. She is not an aggressive skier but an excellent skier.
What think?
9/1/2022
Hey Snaffelhound, thanks for the question. At 5'3 that would put your wife right around 160cm and unless she is used to skis that are longer in general I think the 158cm length would be appropriate.
As far as bindings are concerned we've had a number of folks pair the 112s up with something relatively light like the Atomic Backland Pure Binding or the ATK Kuluar 9 LT Binding as well.
As far as bindings are concerned we've had a number of folks pair the 112s up with something relatively light like the Atomic Backland Pure Binding or the ATK Kuluar 9 LT Binding as well.
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7/28/2022
Hi,
I've been skiing the 2021 DPS Pagoda Tour 112 and the smiles I've been wearing has my girlfriend interested in a pair.
Do you think it is worthwhile to wait for the 2022/2023 model? Are the differences in skiing characteristics perceptible to a fairly average skier in mostly powder conditions (she has other skis for days when nature has not been so generous)?
If the ski is noticeably more damp that might be of interest as she likes a damp ski. But only if the ski has not increased in stiffness. If the new version were stiffer she may well prefer the feel of the prior generation.
Any real world observations on how the two generations of ski perform would be very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Mike
I've been skiing the 2021 DPS Pagoda Tour 112 and the smiles I've been wearing has my girlfriend interested in a pair.
Do you think it is worthwhile to wait for the 2022/2023 model? Are the differences in skiing characteristics perceptible to a fairly average skier in mostly powder conditions (she has other skis for days when nature has not been so generous)?
If the ski is noticeably more damp that might be of interest as she likes a damp ski. But only if the ski has not increased in stiffness. If the new version were stiffer she may well prefer the feel of the prior generation.
Any real world observations on how the two generations of ski perform would be very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Mike
7/28/2022
Hi Mike, I doubt the average skier would be able to feel the difference. DPS is switching the sidewall material to an Algal based material and that is the same material used in the "Third Rail".
The Pagoda core is really damp compared to other Touring skis of this weight and plain awesome in the original and the new version.
The Pagoda core is really damp compared to other Touring skis of this weight and plain awesome in the original and the new version.
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4/13/2022
Hi, I am considering getting a set Pagoda 112 RP for powder touring (with the hope such thing still exists in the future).
I am a 5'8, 152lbs, expert skier that prefers slow, controlled, turns and does not send it.
Shall I go with the 168 or 178?
I am a 5'8, 152lbs, expert skier that prefers slow, controlled, turns and does not send it.
Shall I go with the 168 or 178?
4/13/2022
Hey Harold, I think it would honestly come down to personal preference and what lengths you've skied in the past. The 178cm length would be roughly 6cm above your height while the 168cm would just be a tad shorter than your overall height, so realistically you could go with either length. If you are a more mellow skier I would think the 168cm would work out just fine!
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The first day I used these was a late April storm day last year.. and wow, I felt like I was skiing powder for the first time. Silky smooth, easy to turn and maneuver, truly a different experience. And when you get to the bottom of the run where it's been a little more tracked out, these cruise right over all the crud effortlessly. They are quite expensive, but it's my favorite ski I've ever owned.
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2/10/2022
Hi, I am doing lots of verticals, opp and down. Currently skiing K2 wayback 106, 187 cm. I
find these skiis good on most snow but is not carrying my weight (180lb, 6,2 ") in deep snow...40-50 cm or more. The tip have a tendancy to go deep. Looking for a wider and playful powderski.
Would these DPS skiis in 184 cm, carry my weight better? I am worried the are to short and not wide enough to carry me and play whith me in the deep.
find these skiis good on most snow but is not carrying my weight (180lb, 6,2 ") in deep snow...40-50 cm or more. The tip have a tendancy to go deep. Looking for a wider and playful powderski.
Would these DPS skiis in 184 cm, carry my weight better? I am worried the are to short and not wide enough to carry me and play whith me in the deep.
2/10/2022
Thanks for reaching out, Erik. Most folks with your dimensions would find the 184 to float quite well, though it should be noted that ski preference is quite individual and what works for one person may not work for another. If you're after a powder ski that is nimble, fun, and can be pushed quite hard, most would find this to be an excellent option.
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1/13/2022
I'm 5'8"/172cm and 150 lb, looking for a lightweight powder touring ski. Would you recommend the 168 or 178?
1/13/2022
Taylor,
I can give you my personal story. I weigh the same. I got the 178cm and for me, a bit more flotation than what I like. So I would say the 168cm, If you like to sink in a bit and not skim across the snow. My 178cm still work great on really deep days and resort powder days. I just bought the Pagoda 100 in the 171cm as a lighter Pow ski, for less deep days.
I can give you my personal story. I weigh the same. I got the 178cm and for me, a bit more flotation than what I like. So I would say the 168cm, If you like to sink in a bit and not skim across the snow. My 178cm still work great on really deep days and resort powder days. I just bought the Pagoda 100 in the 171cm as a lighter Pow ski, for less deep days.
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9/20/2021
Sounds like a lovely ski. Is it too much width to be used as a quiver of one for the Wasatch? Some reviews speak to the Pagoda 112 handling crud and crust well are appealing. The short radius, rocker and damp ride sound super fun. I don’t tour every day, and I try to favor the favorable days. Coming from Bent Chetler 100’s and 120’s, boots are Hoji Tours but moving to a Free this season. Also have Alien RS boots but might move to something somewhat more stout before too long. Thanks
9/20/2021
Hey Justin, the Pagoda 112 is a versatile ski that performs exceptionally well in powder. For most of us here we tend to think of 100mm underfoot a more reasonable width for a quiver of one. The DPS Pagoda 100 would be a great compromise, offering great soft snow performance with a good bit of weight saving, and will perform stronger in variable snow conditions.
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6/6/2021
I've read that these ski a bit shorter than their size due to the rocker. I'm 5' 10" 160lbs (geared up). Would you recommend 178cm or 184cm for an aggressive but middle aged skier?
6/7/2021
Hi JMC, Yes, that's true. Just so happens that I have an older pair and am your size. I have the 178cm and personally, it is a bit more float than I prefer unless it's really deep and light or I am using it in a resort. So definitely the 178cm, Also they are about the most fun powder ski there has ever been built. And unlike most skis, the Turn radius is the same for all sizes, telepathically fast.
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