Liners are nearing the end of their usefulness and I wonder with what to replace them. The boots fit like gloves and have no extra volume for thicker liners. Do Intuition or Palau liners require extra volume? Which Dynafit liner is most compatible with existing liner?
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Dynafit TLT8 Carbonio Boot
Dynafit just won't stop! Now in its eighth iteration, the TLT8 Carbonio boot has improved the previous models to become the epitome of an all-purpose backcountry ski boot. Seen equally as often at both skimo races and atop committing lines far from the nearest road or chairlift, many skiers can attest to the balance of walkability and skiability in the TLT boot lineup. This updated model has a simpler, two independent buckle closure system that replaces the complex single-buckle, routed-cable system that the TLT7 had. A taller cuff improves the downhill performance and support powerful turning on the way down. Carried over from the previous model is the smooth, lug-free Speed Nose, extra-burly inserts for driving bigger skis, and Dynafit's Ultra Lock horizontal ski/walk mode lever. Exactly what you need and not an ounce more, the TLT8 Carbonio packs top of the line functionality into a package that weighs less than a kilo per boot. Perfect for all your powder-shredding, lap-stacking, chute-skiing, dawn-patrolling needs.
- Dynafit's hallmark Speed Nose removes the lugs on the toe of the boot and moves the inserts closer to the ball of the foot, allowing for a more efficient pivoting motion.
- Master Step inserts are more stout than your typical tech inserts and provide additional power transmission to the ski.
- Adding some height to the cuff of the TLT8 increased skiability, and adding 5 degrees to the range of motion maintains the walkability.
- Ultra Lock 4.0 is very similar to the ski/walk lever system seen on previous TLT boots, but the 4.0 version adds a larger lever for increased ease of use with gloves.
- With a simple, independent two buckle closure system, Dynafit made transitions simpler and fit more customizable.
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Weight |
1102g [27.0] |
| Weight (pair) | 2204g [27.0] |
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Ultralock 4.0 |
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Boot Sole |
253mm [23/23.5] 263mm [24/24.5] 273mm [25/25.5] 283mm [26/26.5] 293mm [27/27.5] 303mm [28/28.5] 313mm [29/29.5] 323mm [30/30.5] |
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Binding |
Tech only |
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Cuff |
60° |
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Forward |
15°, 18° |
| Specs Verified | Yes |
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Grilamid shell, Carbon/Grilamid Cuff |
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Custom Light |
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Formula Pomoca Climb |
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| Usage | All-terrain, all-conditions ski touring |
| Notes | A Dynafiit classic with simpler closure. Cramp-In system ready |
| Bottom Line | One TLT to rule them all |
| Compare to other Touring Boots | |
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Questions & Reviews
8/22/2022
8/23/2022
Hey Mike, the Palau Tour Lite Pro Liners would probably be your best bet for finding a liner that's the most similar. Thanks
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I've had these boots for just over a year now. I purchased these based on a fit recommendation from Skimo.
My TL;DR review: These boots are high volume, have great ROM and ski better than they should given their weight... but they're still a lightweight boot.
Slightly longer review:
I got these because I have one foot that getting wider as I age and skinny boots just don't work for me anymore. These are plenty wide but the overall volume is a bit much. I'm using a couple volume reducers and an aftermarket footbed which has helped a lot, I may try another liner in the future but I actually like the stock liner quite a bit. I'm a big fan of thin liners, which this is and the foam/insulation in is quite firm.
Next, these are possibly the best uphill boots I've ever owned. The ROM is fantastic and you can really use every advertised degree, unlike some other boots. The insert placement does seem to make a difference as well. I find myself getting into a classic XC style glide very easily with these.
On the other hand, the snub nose is a pain in the ass. In firmer snow, it's absolutely more difficult to kick into snow for a booter. Crampons have been an issue. The fancy bottom clips style Dynafit makes seem cool but the price is outrageous ($300?!) and while I regularly make horrifici financial decisions when it comes to gear, that's a bridge I will not cross. Three hundred bucks for specialty crampons that will only work with this specific set of boots? C'mon. I used semi-auto for a while which was ok but a bit fiddly and have not switched to the toe bail adapter from Dynafit which has been working pretty well.
On the downhill, these ski pretty good. No, they won't replace your beef boot but they are surprisingly stiff. In my opinion, what really limits them is the cuff height rather than the stiffness. If the cuff were 20mm higher, I think they would compete with boots that weigh 50% more. As it is, they punch (or ski) way above their weight.
Transitions are simple, the top buckle is down, the boots lock. Open the buckle, walk mode. Piece of cake. Just a well designed, simple boot. This is my go to for any longer tour or bigger objective. A very versatile boot that's fun to ski. I did everything from a winter ascent of Shasta (Denali prep for some buddies) to a late spring resort day.
My TL;DR review: These boots are high volume, have great ROM and ski better than they should given their weight... but they're still a lightweight boot.
Slightly longer review:
I got these because I have one foot that getting wider as I age and skinny boots just don't work for me anymore. These are plenty wide but the overall volume is a bit much. I'm using a couple volume reducers and an aftermarket footbed which has helped a lot, I may try another liner in the future but I actually like the stock liner quite a bit. I'm a big fan of thin liners, which this is and the foam/insulation in is quite firm.
Next, these are possibly the best uphill boots I've ever owned. The ROM is fantastic and you can really use every advertised degree, unlike some other boots. The insert placement does seem to make a difference as well. I find myself getting into a classic XC style glide very easily with these.
On the other hand, the snub nose is a pain in the ass. In firmer snow, it's absolutely more difficult to kick into snow for a booter. Crampons have been an issue. The fancy bottom clips style Dynafit makes seem cool but the price is outrageous ($300?!) and while I regularly make horrifici financial decisions when it comes to gear, that's a bridge I will not cross. Three hundred bucks for specialty crampons that will only work with this specific set of boots? C'mon. I used semi-auto for a while which was ok but a bit fiddly and have not switched to the toe bail adapter from Dynafit which has been working pretty well.
On the downhill, these ski pretty good. No, they won't replace your beef boot but they are surprisingly stiff. In my opinion, what really limits them is the cuff height rather than the stiffness. If the cuff were 20mm higher, I think they would compete with boots that weigh 50% more. As it is, they punch (or ski) way above their weight.
Transitions are simple, the top buckle is down, the boots lock. Open the buckle, walk mode. Piece of cake. Just a well designed, simple boot. This is my go to for any longer tour or bigger objective. A very versatile boot that's fun to ski. I did everything from a winter ascent of Shasta (Denali prep for some buddies) to a late spring resort day.
12/21/2022
Totally agree! So light and comfortable, I call them my ski slippers! Yep, if they could just make that cuff 20mm higher, they would have reached perfection.
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I have a few days on these boots, quick review.
- Range of motion is listed as a bit less than my old Scarpa F1s (non LT), but it feels like more, definitely less friction in the ankle motion. This is most likely due to the liner.
- The stock liner is a torture device. I replaced it with a Palau Tour Lite right out of the box. Even this "thicker" liner is very thin, since I'm used to Intuition tour liners in beefier boots.
- The "Hoji style" lock mechanism is so good! I bought this TLT8 because I love the Hoji so much
- My forefoot is incredibly wide, I've had to punch every AT boot I've ever owned. I haven't punched this TLT8.....yet.
Lastly, regarding the location of pin sockets: I've heard/read many reviews saying that the lack of a toe welt negatively affects kick steps. I disagree and think these people are inventing things in their head. If that tiny little shelf is making a difference in your bootpack, you need crampons on, and once those are on there is no difference. The *only* downside of no toe welt is compatibility with non-pin bindings.
I have also heard/read many people say they can't notice a skinning efficiency difference with the tech pin location being further aft. Crazy. I noticed the improvement in skinning immediately, so did my ski partner when they first put on the boot.
Speaking of crampons, if you use Tech Crampon 250s (from Pro Ski and Guide in WA) you need the special TLT version. My "regular" 250s that fit my Hojis do not fit these TLT8s.
I'm curious to see how many days these feather weight boots last. My Scarpa F1s lasted half as many days as a "normal" pair of AT boots for me.
- Range of motion is listed as a bit less than my old Scarpa F1s (non LT), but it feels like more, definitely less friction in the ankle motion. This is most likely due to the liner.
- The stock liner is a torture device. I replaced it with a Palau Tour Lite right out of the box. Even this "thicker" liner is very thin, since I'm used to Intuition tour liners in beefier boots.
- The "Hoji style" lock mechanism is so good! I bought this TLT8 because I love the Hoji so much
- My forefoot is incredibly wide, I've had to punch every AT boot I've ever owned. I haven't punched this TLT8.....yet.
Lastly, regarding the location of pin sockets: I've heard/read many reviews saying that the lack of a toe welt negatively affects kick steps. I disagree and think these people are inventing things in their head. If that tiny little shelf is making a difference in your bootpack, you need crampons on, and once those are on there is no difference. The *only* downside of no toe welt is compatibility with non-pin bindings.
I have also heard/read many people say they can't notice a skinning efficiency difference with the tech pin location being further aft. Crazy. I noticed the improvement in skinning immediately, so did my ski partner when they first put on the boot.
Speaking of crampons, if you use Tech Crampon 250s (from Pro Ski and Guide in WA) you need the special TLT version. My "regular" 250s that fit my Hojis do not fit these TLT8s.
I'm curious to see how many days these feather weight boots last. My Scarpa F1s lasted half as many days as a "normal" pair of AT boots for me.
12/19/2021
Hey Peter. Thanks for review. The width information really interest me. Could you please provide your feet width? This could really help me with decision. Thank you!
2/8/2022
Hey radovan, sorry I didn't reply sooner!
my feet measure 115mm across at the widest point.
my feet measure 115mm across at the widest point.
2/8/2022
should have included: I'm a size 28.5 boot
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9/21/2021
Hi there,
I am currently deciding between the TLT 8 Expedition and Carbonio. I want to buy the Carbonio for it's improved stiffness and to be honest sexappeal. My only concern, the carbon cuff. Breaking Carbon poles with ski edges is easy, so how do carbon cuffs hold up? From anecdotal evidence do you see a lot of broken carbon cuffs? Or is it a no brainier.
Thanks!
I am currently deciding between the TLT 8 Expedition and Carbonio. I want to buy the Carbonio for it's improved stiffness and to be honest sexappeal. My only concern, the carbon cuff. Breaking Carbon poles with ski edges is easy, so how do carbon cuffs hold up? From anecdotal evidence do you see a lot of broken carbon cuffs? Or is it a no brainier.
Thanks!
9/21/2021
Hey Andy, carbon cuffs are extremely durable, the only complaint in Carbonio is the thin liner. A lot of people who enjoy the stiffer flex and weight will add the Palau Tour Lite Pro Liners which will snug the fit up and increase performance as well. Some people with high volume feet will prefer the thin liner as it's one of the few boots that fit their feet.
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9/16/2021
Hello I am looking for the most wide boots for speed touring since my foot are ultra wide (size 28.5 for 110mm last) and I have seen 5 Dynafit models which seems to match for me since they all indicate 103mm last min :
- this one, TLT8 Carbonio
- the TLT8 expedition
- the PDG2
- the speed fit pro
- the new speed nimbus
Which is the wider boots between them ?
Do I have to take a size bigger (29) to match my foot last ?
Are they wider boots which can also be interesting for ultrawide foot?
Thank you for your help !
- this one, TLT8 Carbonio
- the TLT8 expedition
- the PDG2
- the speed fit pro
- the new speed nimbus
Which is the wider boots between them ?
Do I have to take a size bigger (29) to match my foot last ?
Are they wider boots which can also be interesting for ultrawide foot?
Thank you for your help !
9/16/2021
Hey Chris,
The shells for the TLT8s and the PDG2 are quite similar, the main difference in fit will be in the liner. The thinnest liner will be in the PDG2. However, due to the thin liner they do actually size the shell down for that one, so if you're considering that model you might want to size up one shell size. The boot that will likely feel the widest out of the box is the TLT8 Carbonio.
If you have further questions about fit and finding the best boot for you, feel free to fill out our Online Ski Boot Fitter and one of our boot fitters can go more in-depth with you.
The shells for the TLT8s and the PDG2 are quite similar, the main difference in fit will be in the liner. The thinnest liner will be in the PDG2. However, due to the thin liner they do actually size the shell down for that one, so if you're considering that model you might want to size up one shell size. The boot that will likely feel the widest out of the box is the TLT8 Carbonio.
If you have further questions about fit and finding the best boot for you, feel free to fill out our Online Ski Boot Fitter and one of our boot fitters can go more in-depth with you.
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8/14/2021
I have these boots and they are great! But... my 5th metatarsal on one foot has begun rapidly expanding in a horizontal direction for a couple years now. I had a fitter punch the boot for me last year but I just tried them on again (getting stoked for the season) and I can tell I'm going to have issues.
My question is; how crazy would it be to just drill a small hole in the side of the boot and then cover it with a patch or even rubber vulcanized onto the outer shell? I'm pretty sure it would feel better but would that last? Would a hole affect the flex of the boot? Is this genius or just very dumb?
FWIW, the rest of my foot/feet is not high volume and bigger boots fit poorly, even the Carbonio is more spacious than I would really prefer.
My question is; how crazy would it be to just drill a small hole in the side of the boot and then cover it with a patch or even rubber vulcanized onto the outer shell? I'm pretty sure it would feel better but would that last? Would a hole affect the flex of the boot? Is this genius or just very dumb?
FWIW, the rest of my foot/feet is not high volume and bigger boots fit poorly, even the Carbonio is more spacious than I would really prefer.
8/15/2021
Hi Jesse, thanks for the feedback and good questions! Growing protrusions are not uncommon for skiers after years of cramming feet into plastic, and visits to boot fitters can become more necessary. It's possible the punch you got last year has receded a bit, or you have more growth, or some combination thereof. Best thing would be to try another, or bigger punch at the fitter.
In lieu of visiting a boot fitter, skiers have tried all kinds of things over the years, including drilling holes in the shell as you suggested. More common is cutting into the liner, either a simple splice or more aggressive removal of a section of foam. These might be considered hacks but they can work well enough for many folks. Not a huge risk of breaking the boot or changing the flex, but anything is possible depending on what you do.
In lieu of visiting a boot fitter, skiers have tried all kinds of things over the years, including drilling holes in the shell as you suggested. More common is cutting into the liner, either a simple splice or more aggressive removal of a section of foam. These might be considered hacks but they can work well enough for many folks. Not a huge risk of breaking the boot or changing the flex, but anything is possible depending on what you do.
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8/11/2021
I have a pair of the Hypervectors whose bindings (Dynafit Rotation 10) were mounted to the manufacturer specs for the Scarpa Maestrale RS (BSL=331 mm). Now I am planning to use these skis as a dedicated light touring setup with TLT8 Carbonio (BSL=314 mm). Not only the difference in the BSL is significant, but also the inserts in the TLT8 are presumably closer to the ball of foot due to the "speed nose" design.
The rear piece of the binding can travel far enough to accommodate the difference in the BSL. The question is should I consider remounting the bindings for the dedicated use with the TLT8 to the rear, or the difference in the BSP/design is practically insignificant?
Thanks.
The rear piece of the binding can travel far enough to accommodate the difference in the BSL. The question is should I consider remounting the bindings for the dedicated use with the TLT8 to the rear, or the difference in the BSP/design is practically insignificant?
Thanks.
8/11/2021
Scythian, thanks for reaching out. If your heel can accommodate your TLT 8 BSL then I would recommend leaving your toe piece where it is. Even though the speed nose gives the skier a more efficient stride it is not noticeable enough to encourage a remount.
8/11/2021
Hi Scythian, I would say stick with the current toe location. With lighter boots it can be nice to be a bit more forward on the ski than with a beefier boot, especially if it's more upright. You can ski from a nice neutral stance and still steer the Hypervectors easily. That said, if you don't like it, you can always bump it back!
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I’ve got about 35k of very on these so far and they’ve been great. The weight and mobility are excellent. The liner in the carbonio is very thin. Swapped out for a Palau almost immediately, huge improvement. Not a very progressive flex, but it is very even and provides a lot of power transfer. I love it for fitness laps at dawn and for getting after it on long days. I wouldn’t go much above a 100mm waisted ski, unless you know the conditions are going to be consistent. I ski them on Atomic Backland 100s and Black Crows Ova Freebirds (85mm). This boot is meant to be fast and light machine; build your setup with that in mind and you’ll be very happy with this boot.
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2/11/2021
Does Dynafit offer the alternative plate for the adjustment of the forward lean angle? Currently, the options are 15 and 18 degree, which can be selected by flipping of the aluminum plate in the inner piece of the cuff. I tried to ski these on the resort with 18 degree forward lean and generally happy with the results but may want to dial back the forward lean somewhere between the two preset values. Thanks.
2/11/2021
Scythian, Sorry, Dynafit has not produced any yet.
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A+. I love this boot.
This is my first lighter weight touring boot. I purchased them from Skimo in May 2020 and skied them through the summer and into this season.
These boots go uphill like a dream and transition like lightning. Coming from a beefier four buckle boot, the ultra lock system is so fast and magical that I still occasionally giggle about how easy it is. The downhill performance is fine for me, though I don’t have anything to compare them to in this weight class. I like the buckle system on the TLT 8 much better than TLT 7: it’s significantly more adjustable and seems way more durable. I’ve used Camp universal strap-on crampons with the boots, and they work fine. Re the speednose, I can’t say I notice more efficiency in terms of mechanics (they’re so light— that’s what I really notice), but getting the boot to pivot off your toe in kick turns when you lift a ski etc. is a little different than when using a boot with a toe welt.
I know the big critique of this boot is that its last is really wide and the liner is ultra thin. I, however, am really glad dynafit made the boot this way. I have high arches, high in-steps, and wide forefeet. (If you’re a runner, I have Altra / birkenstock feet, not Hoka feet.) These boots are still on the narrow side for my forefoot, and I needed to get them punched on the lateral sides for the sake of my fifth toes. But overall they work really well. If you don’t like the fit the liner gives you, that’s a bummer. But I’m guessing skimo could make them work for you with a thicker liner and some boot magic.
I also have Raynauds syndrome, which means my feet get very cold very easily and they’re more susceptible to frostbite than the average person’s. In my case, I originally wanted to go with TLT 8 Expedition for the warmth, but the thicker liner put too much pressure on my instep and reduced circulation, which would mean colder feet faster. So oddly, the thin liner seems to be OK because it doesn’t restrict circulation.
Overall, great boot and it seems like a big improvement from the TLT 7. I can easily hike miles uphill w/ or without skis on with these boots. And it's easy to drive a stick shift in them.
This is my first lighter weight touring boot. I purchased them from Skimo in May 2020 and skied them through the summer and into this season.
These boots go uphill like a dream and transition like lightning. Coming from a beefier four buckle boot, the ultra lock system is so fast and magical that I still occasionally giggle about how easy it is. The downhill performance is fine for me, though I don’t have anything to compare them to in this weight class. I like the buckle system on the TLT 8 much better than TLT 7: it’s significantly more adjustable and seems way more durable. I’ve used Camp universal strap-on crampons with the boots, and they work fine. Re the speednose, I can’t say I notice more efficiency in terms of mechanics (they’re so light— that’s what I really notice), but getting the boot to pivot off your toe in kick turns when you lift a ski etc. is a little different than when using a boot with a toe welt.
I know the big critique of this boot is that its last is really wide and the liner is ultra thin. I, however, am really glad dynafit made the boot this way. I have high arches, high in-steps, and wide forefeet. (If you’re a runner, I have Altra / birkenstock feet, not Hoka feet.) These boots are still on the narrow side for my forefoot, and I needed to get them punched on the lateral sides for the sake of my fifth toes. But overall they work really well. If you don’t like the fit the liner gives you, that’s a bummer. But I’m guessing skimo could make them work for you with a thicker liner and some boot magic.
I also have Raynauds syndrome, which means my feet get very cold very easily and they’re more susceptible to frostbite than the average person’s. In my case, I originally wanted to go with TLT 8 Expedition for the warmth, but the thicker liner put too much pressure on my instep and reduced circulation, which would mean colder feet faster. So oddly, the thin liner seems to be OK because it doesn’t restrict circulation.
Overall, great boot and it seems like a big improvement from the TLT 7. I can easily hike miles uphill w/ or without skis on with these boots. And it's easy to drive a stick shift in them.
10/27/2021
Update: still A+. My one complaint after about 60 days in these boots: the POMOCA sole rubber feels softer and less durable than something like the vibram sole on the Scarpa F1. The sole edges get chewed up pretty easily when walking across talus or scrambling. Just a little extra, or denser, or higher rubber there at the edges where the boot takes a beating under the arch and near the forefoot would be nice perhaps--kind of like the rubber on a standard mountaineering boot or approach shoe. Just a thought. cc: Dynafit.
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I've put about 20 days on these so far this winter and I'm impressed. I'm coming from a TLT7-Performance that I had to warranty twice. It's the first full carbon that I've had and getting used to the non-progressive flex took a couple ski days to get used to. It's a much stiffer boot than the 7P and skis much better IMO. The boot feels slightly wider in the toe box region than the 7P and with the super thin liner it took a little bit to get the fit just right (which was done well by SkimoCo bootfitters!). I'm a big fan of the speed nose and like that the pivot point is closer to the toes. The new buckle mechanism is plenty easy to use and I feel like I get a better fit all over with these buckles than I did with the 7P. All-in-all, I think this is a great light-weight 2-buckle boot and skis bigger skis well (Movement Alp-Tracks 106).
11/4/2021
Update on these boots. I put about 60 days on these between winter 20/21 and the beginning of winter 21/22 (October). Unfortunately the plastic cracked at the heel pivot pin and they are now off to warranty. I've had to warranty the TLT7-P twice and now the TLT8 and I fear it's time to move on to a different brand in lightweight 2-buckle. Yes, Dynafit has lifetime warranty and has always been great about getting it done, but I'd prefer a boot that I can go a year on without having to go through warranty.
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1/20/2021
Erik
(used product a few times)
Took these out for their first mission the other day, 11 mi, 4k vert w/ steep snow and rock scrambling.
Pros
-Good walk ability
-Stiff ski mode
-Easy transitions
-Light AF
Cons
- Liner thickness and padding is inadequate
- carbon cuff is delicate to ski edge and parking lot impact
-Irvis hybrid crampon fit was secure but difficult
-flex is not progressive
Pros
-Good walk ability
-Stiff ski mode
-Easy transitions
-Light AF
Cons
- Liner thickness and padding is inadequate
- carbon cuff is delicate to ski edge and parking lot impact
-Irvis hybrid crampon fit was secure but difficult
-flex is not progressive
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I've been beating these up for the better part of the winter and spring. A few critical thoughts:
-The PDG2.0s took a ton of work to fit my feet. The TLT8 took ZERO shell work. So I was psyched about that! Sized 1 shell down from previous TLT5 and 6s.
-The liner didn't do it for me. It's super thin and even after a mold, it just didn't feel right. Slapped in my intuition liners and it made all the difference in the world. I wish they offered the TLT8 with the Hoji liner though I can see the appeal of the thin liner for warmer conditions.
-Ankle flexion and walkability seems as good as the PDG. Walk mode is great and the new ultra-lock
-Ski ability is excellent for the weight class and leagues ahead of the PDG. For not that big of a weight difference, this makes it pretty appealing in most situations.
-The missing toe welt is certainly it's biggest sticking point. It's obviously not a boot you'd use in a frame binding so that's not an issue. In terms of crampon compatibility, it's limited to those with a flex toe binding. I've done quite a bit of climbing on ice and rock now with the petzl irvis hybrid and it's super effective. I certainly like having a welt but I can still get a good fit.
-The main downside is booting in firm snow without crampons. Without the toe welt, it's much harder to kick steps. Obviously putting on crampons is the answer but sometimes it's just a short stretch. That's really my only complaint!
-The PDG2.0s took a ton of work to fit my feet. The TLT8 took ZERO shell work. So I was psyched about that! Sized 1 shell down from previous TLT5 and 6s.
-The liner didn't do it for me. It's super thin and even after a mold, it just didn't feel right. Slapped in my intuition liners and it made all the difference in the world. I wish they offered the TLT8 with the Hoji liner though I can see the appeal of the thin liner for warmer conditions.
-Ankle flexion and walkability seems as good as the PDG. Walk mode is great and the new ultra-lock
-Ski ability is excellent for the weight class and leagues ahead of the PDG. For not that big of a weight difference, this makes it pretty appealing in most situations.
-The missing toe welt is certainly it's biggest sticking point. It's obviously not a boot you'd use in a frame binding so that's not an issue. In terms of crampon compatibility, it's limited to those with a flex toe binding. I've done quite a bit of climbing on ice and rock now with the petzl irvis hybrid and it's super effective. I certainly like having a welt but I can still get a good fit.
-The main downside is booting in firm snow without crampons. Without the toe welt, it's much harder to kick steps. Obviously putting on crampons is the answer but sometimes it's just a short stretch. That's really my only complaint!
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5/5/2020
I am considering updating (or complementing) my current AT setup. I am currently using Scarpa Maestrale RS in 29.5/30 size which fit well after the liner mold and no shell punching. The main problem with Maestrales is perhaps not the weight but rather stiff flex in the rearward bending of the cuff, which makes approach a bigger chore than climbing. I am thinking complementing the setup with something in the category of TLT's and actually bigger skis, like Dynastar Mythic 97 @ 184 or V6, or Blizzard Zero G 105 of same size (Hypervectors are great but too skinny for too many conditions, especially when wearing 30+ lb backpack).
I am considering TLT8 or La Sportiva Scorpius, however I have a rather high arch which made, for example, wearing La Sportiva Spitfire painful in less than an hour.
Given that would you recommend TLT8 or there is a chance that Scorpius will work?
Thanks.
I am considering TLT8 or La Sportiva Scorpius, however I have a rather high arch which made, for example, wearing La Sportiva Spitfire painful in less than an hour.
Given that would you recommend TLT8 or there is a chance that Scorpius will work?
Thanks.
5/6/2020
Thanks for your question! If the Spitfire didn't agree with your foot then it is a safe bet to rule the Skorpius out. The Skorpius has a similar overall fit to the Spitfire, however, they made some upgrades in walkability, etc... The TLT8 will be on the roomier side to the Maestrale, but may work. The TLT8 has a larger instep size with roomier forefoot and slightly larger heel. The Carbonio also sports a slimmer liner which is better for larger feet, but some folks do feel the need to put a heftier liner in to fill space. For more in-depth information check out our online bootfitter, or give us a call and we would love to chat about the nuances and fit characteristics of both!
5/9/2020
Thanks Brett.
Today I actually had a chance to try TLT8 Carbonio on and do some carpet testing.
First, compared to Maestrale RS in the 29.5/30 size, these walk like sneakers, no rearward bend resistance in the cuff whatsoever, at least these make a striking contrast with Maestrales. In the ski mode, they are surprisingly stiff, but again, this should be verified on snow.
As far as the fit goes. As you said, the original liners give the impression of the somewhat loose heel fit and noticeable room in the toebox. The tightest place (the first pressure point I experience when tightening the lower buckle) is again, my arch.
I did the experiment and tried TLT8 with the liners from Maestrale. While I had no problem getting the liner into the boot, I was barely able to get the foot in the boot, and was unable to even close it without fear of damaging the buckle, or perhaps, my foot. It appears that Maestrale's shell is still roomier than the TLT8's, as the former fit my foot reasonably well with the original liners.
Having said that it looks like getting a beefier liner for the TLT8 may e a good solution to the fit problem (my biggest concern is the heel pocket), but Scarpa's Pro Flex G is definitely an overkill.
What are good liner options for substituting the original Dynafit Custom Lite liner?
Thanks.
Today I actually had a chance to try TLT8 Carbonio on and do some carpet testing.
First, compared to Maestrale RS in the 29.5/30 size, these walk like sneakers, no rearward bend resistance in the cuff whatsoever, at least these make a striking contrast with Maestrales. In the ski mode, they are surprisingly stiff, but again, this should be verified on snow.
As far as the fit goes. As you said, the original liners give the impression of the somewhat loose heel fit and noticeable room in the toebox. The tightest place (the first pressure point I experience when tightening the lower buckle) is again, my arch.
I did the experiment and tried TLT8 with the liners from Maestrale. While I had no problem getting the liner into the boot, I was barely able to get the foot in the boot, and was unable to even close it without fear of damaging the buckle, or perhaps, my foot. It appears that Maestrale's shell is still roomier than the TLT8's, as the former fit my foot reasonably well with the original liners.
Having said that it looks like getting a beefier liner for the TLT8 may e a good solution to the fit problem (my biggest concern is the heel pocket), but Scarpa's Pro Flex G is definitely an overkill.
What are good liner options for substituting the original Dynafit Custom Lite liner?
Thanks.
5/11/2020
I wouldn't say the shell of the Maestrale RS is any bigger, but it is different. One thing to keep in mind is the sizing discrepancies between the brands. If you are trying on the TLT8 in a 29/29.5 it will be a half(ish) size smaller than the Maestrale. Typically, the Intuition Pro Tour and Palau Power LT are popular options. These liners have more "heft," but they need to be molded to get the best results. Check out this fit guide for sizing advice. For your arch, a good place to start is an appropriately fitting after market footbed. If this doesn't solve the issue working with a bootfitter may deliver the best results. Happy skiing!
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Thought I would post a quick review now that I've had this boot out on a few tours. I really like them, now that I've got them working well for me. Its much more comfortable than any other touring boot I've had, coming from the TLT6 and TLT7. Even as comfortable or better than my Salomon Mtn Lab's, but of course MUCH lighter than those!
Here's what I did to get them working to my satisfaction: 1) Replaced factory footbed with "green" Superfeet. 2) removed power strap. 3) Used a machine to cycle the cuff pivot at high rate until broken in (probably the equivalent of 10 long tours), then lubricated the pivots with high-viscosity gun oil. Most of the excessive friction flexing the boot while skinning is coming from the cuff pivots. This can be seen after removing the liners. The liners are thin and soft, but that works from my hot, sweaty feet! I don't have any problems keeping the liner tongue in place while skinning like some have reported, but it does take extra care when putting the boots on to make sure it is under the sides of the liner.
Here's what I did to get them working to my satisfaction: 1) Replaced factory footbed with "green" Superfeet. 2) removed power strap. 3) Used a machine to cycle the cuff pivot at high rate until broken in (probably the equivalent of 10 long tours), then lubricated the pivots with high-viscosity gun oil. Most of the excessive friction flexing the boot while skinning is coming from the cuff pivots. This can be seen after removing the liners. The liners are thin and soft, but that works from my hot, sweaty feet! I don't have any problems keeping the liner tongue in place while skinning like some have reported, but it does take extra care when putting the boots on to make sure it is under the sides of the liner.
4/10/2020
Forgot to mention in my review above - it would seem that the special materials used in the Carbonio were leveraged to make the boot stiffer, rather than lighter. They weigh the same as my old TLT7's. In light of that, the downhill performance of these touring boots comes as close as ever to my resort boots. Combined with some Voile V8's fat skis, I feels just as if I'm using my (much heavier) resort rig! Very confidence inspiring.
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2/20/2020
Last question. Disregard a wider fit, the better touring and easier transitions. Weight is the same with thinner liner in the Carbonio that doesn't seems to fit anyone. How much better does this boot ski than an older TLT6P? Stiffer shell? Higher flex rating? Higher cuff? More predictable flex? I want the boot, just trying to decide why I want this boot :)
2/20/2020
Go ahead and talk yourself into it, Dane! I would say it rates higher in all those categories. But the best part is you don't need to worry about tongues.
2/20/2020
" Size 27 shell weights are 962g vs 976g in the Carbonio vs Expedition.
I don't think there is a huge forward flex difference between the two."
Thanks Jason!
I don't think there is a huge forward flex difference between the two."
Thanks Jason!
3/29/2020
I just got a pair of these, and I also have the TLT6 and TLT7. The thing I like about the TLT8 most, is its much less "fussy" that the other two, since it has ratcheting buckle straps that are easier to used. Both buckles are easy to close, whereas the top buckle on the TLT7 felt like it was going to break every time.
3/29/2020
As for the thinner liner and roomy fit, other reviews say most people either love it or hate it. I'm definitely in the "love" category - very comfy on my feet! And with the thinner liner, my feet don't sweat so much. I can always wear thicker socks on a very cold day, and just not ratchet the buckles as tight. With previous versions, I was forced to ALWAYS use very thin socks; now I have a choice.
3/29/2020
Thanks for all the feed back! I picked up a pair of these a few days after asking my questions. We are still able to bc ski here. I'll eventually write a detailed review, likely just prior to a TLT9 release :) Interesting boot. It hikes/climbs well (but nothing earth shaking by any means) and with a better liner, it skis well. Lots of fiddling with the design for easier use at the loss of some performance for me. A middling design at best IMO coming from the design efforts of the TLT 5 and 6. I'd have to guess some of the boots that sold out much earlier in the season do it all better. For me this one is pretty ho-hum.
3/29/2020
For my purposes, it seems like an almost perfect boot - may be a middling design, but I'm a middling skier! Less friction in the pivot, Velcro on the liner so the tongue stays centered, and a leash loop are my only complaints, but those are minor.
I'm thinking about a pair of Aliens for spring days when uphill performance is more important than downhill. I use Salomon MTN Lab boots on resort, and for slack-country. They are heavy, but work well for that purpose. Bottom line, no one boot is perfect for everything.
I'm thinking about a pair of Aliens for spring days when uphill performance is more important than downhill. I use Salomon MTN Lab boots on resort, and for slack-country. They are heavy, but work well for that purpose. Bottom line, no one boot is perfect for everything.
3/29/2020
Agreed no perfect boot. Short comparison. Off hand the TLT8 doesn't tour as well as a TLT 6 without a tongue. And it doesn't ski as well as a TLT6 with a tongue. To get any where close as a ski boot to a green tongue 6P, no power strap you have to use the TLT8 power strap. Advantages that make the TLT8 a good boot? It has a more consistent flex than the 6 (abet a good bit softer even compared to the 6 and a green tongue, not using the power strap) and a whole lot less fiddle factor on the initial buckle buck and later doing transitions. Shell weight is virtually the same but you get a lot more boot ( much stiffer flex in any mode) in the TLT6P. None of that matters of course if the shell's last doesn't fit your feet. My take is the Dynafit design team listened to all the European user complaints on the TLT6 and tried to make a more user friendly boot for European touring. I suspect they sell a gazillion of them there. And for all the same reasons those changes are exactly why the boot isn't a big hit in the US.
FWIW I owned or still own a lot of boots to make that short comparison. Including the Scarpa Maestrale, Maestrale RS, F1, La Sportiva Spectra, both versions of the TLT5 and 6, the PDG and the Scarpa Alien 1.0.
FWIW I owned or still own a lot of boots to make that short comparison. Including the Scarpa Maestrale, Maestrale RS, F1, La Sportiva Spectra, both versions of the TLT5 and 6, the PDG and the Scarpa Alien 1.0.
3/29/2020
Dane, agreed on all of above. TLT6 was good, but a narrow toe box for a narrow foot (that I don't have). Took a lot of boot-fitting for me on that one.
How do you like your Scarpa Alien 1.0? I'm sure they are great on the skin track. How about down hill? Good enough for some easy powder turns?
How do you like your Scarpa Alien 1.0? I'm sure they are great on the skin track. How about down hill? Good enough for some easy powder turns?
3/29/2020
Hey Calvin, it's all about fit isn't it :) Love the Alien's. Skied them a bunch up and down on skis between 80 and 90mm in width touring ski. They ski well for such a lwt boot and skin better than anything I've owned. But...the fit?! Factory liners are terrible for me. So I ski them in lwt TLT6 liners or my PDG liners. I get a better fit in the PDG so use it more on the same skis. Was planning on a decent length skin this week on race skis and was thinking, likely the PDG just to save my feet some.
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2/20/2020
Hey guys! I have been wearing a pair of Vulcans for years that are a "comfort" fit and I've been thinking of going down a size for a better fit and more aggressive boot (I also have a mid-low volume foot, so the vulcan may not have been a great choice in the first place). Can you speak to the level of stiffness of the Carbonio 8s versus the non-carbon models, and the volume compared to Vulcans (or even the new Hoji Free/Pros)?
Thanks!
Thanks!
2/20/2020
Hi Jared, you might want to visit our boot fitter for a precise recommendation. The Carbonio adds some stiffness vs the Expedition, primarily laterally, but has a thinner liner. It's mid-high volume, higher than Vulcan and much higher than the Hoji Pro Tour.
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2/20/2020
Question on sizing? Other than the extra width are these a typical 28 and 29 Dynafit sizing going back to the TLT 5s and 6? If so are the shells still in full sizes only? As in, a 28.5 is still a 28 shell just a different molding on the liner as they did prior? Thanks.
2/20/2020
Hi Dane, these have quite a different fit than the 5s and 6s. Not just wider but higher volume. Length is roughly the same though. Correct, 28 & 28.5 are the same shell with a different insole.
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2/17/2020
I'm looking for a binding to pair with this boot for corn harvesting and hut touring. Which would you recommend?
2/17/2020
Hey Casper, fill out our Binding Finder and we'll give you some good options!
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I put 10k feet on these the first two days. One day with the stock liners and one day with replacements. The stock liners are a bit short at the tongue so they slip below the hard tongue and they are too soft so I found getting them tight enough without crushing your foot is tricky. I put some Palau liners I had from another set of boots in and they were 10x better.
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