Movement Race Pro 85 Ski
On the surface, the Movement Race Pro 85 is simply a ski that took the lightweight construction of their podium-topping Race Pro skis and applied those methods to a wider and more friendly touring shape of the Alp Tracks 85. Take a deeper look, though -- Movement poured every bit of mastery they could muster into this ski, tweaking every detail they could think of to provide you, the skier, every advantage on both the up and the down. Built for the skimo racer who wants to take their fitness to committing lines in the big mountains, the Movement Race Pro 85 leads the class in its weight-to-width ratio thanks to its race-inspired core, while keeping the fun-meter topped off thanks to a sophisticated blend of rocker, camber and sidecut in the ski's profile.
Sometimes, the tumultuous and overbearing world we live in can make it hard to appreciate the understated beauty drawn from the finer things in life, like the soft pastels of a summer sunset, a billion sparkling crystals stretching out across an untracked snowfield, or the feel of a well-used leather glove in your hand. With the Movement Race Pro 85, one of the finest things in your life will be staring at you every time you walk through the garage-- begging you to get out there and get skiing.
- Packing the pleasure of a heavier ski into an incredibly lightweight touring and mountaineering ski, Movement found the holy grail of ski design.
- A lightweight sidewall underfoot is embedded deep into the core, providing edge stability while stabilizing the entire ski against vibrations.
- Labeled as Top Secret, the unique Movement Full Carbon Technology layers directional carbon to give the ski a reliable, even flex.
- A Karuba Woodcore provides the ultralight construction and poppiness that makes the ski just plain fun.
Update 2021/22: Movement updated the topsheet, otherwise, the ski remains unchanged.
Update 2022/23: The shovel shape was tweaked to obtain even more pleasure in soft snow. Weight went up about an ounce. The pin-line mounting point was moved forward ~1cm, noting that we still recommend mounting this ski based on the midsole mark of the original Alp Tracks 85.
Update 2023/24: Movement replaced the venerable Race Pro series with the (even faster?) Fast 85.
| Specifications | |
| Lengths (cm) | 154, 161, 169, 177 |
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Weight |
830g [154] 860g [161] 920g [169] 950g [177] |
| Weight (pair) | 1660g [154] 1720g [161] 1840g [169] 1900g [177] |
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115-85-99 [154] 116-85-100 [161] 116-85-100 [169] 116-85-100 [177] |
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Turn |
17.0m [154] 17.5m [161] 18.0m [169] 18.5m [177] |
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Skin |
Tip notch |
| Specs Verified | Yes |
| Design | |
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Cambered ski with slight tip and tail rocker |
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Round shovel, tapered tail |
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Movement Top Secret full Carbon technology |
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Ultralight Karuba |
| Skimo Co Says | |
| Usage | Speed touring, Mountaineering |
| Notes | Race weight in a touring shape |
| Bottom Line | Race-ski weight in a touring package |
| Compare to other Low-fat Skis | |
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Questions & Reviews
3/3/2024
I’m looking for a light weight backcountry ski to pair with race boots (Dynafit DNAs). I’m torn between the Race Pro 85 and the Alp Tracks 85. The Alp Tracks seems to be a more versatile backcountry ski, but the Race Pro seems like it might pair better with race boots. I’m 6 feet and 160 pounds, I ski in Colorado, and I’m thinking 169 length. Any guidance would be appreciated!
3/3/2024
Hi Christopher, you are thinking about this the right way. The Race Pro will be an uber light setup that pairs well with race boots, but feels somewhat race-y in difficult conditions. The Alp Tracks can handle a wider range of conditions more easily, and also can be pushed harder by a bigger boot. Both have the same fun shape that carves well and also can slarve around in pow and slush.
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12/28/2023
Hi there! I’m 5’ 6’’ and 125 pounds and am looking for a light ski for mainly getting uphill laps in both at the resort and backcountry with the ability to still have some “fun” when skiing down. Would these be a good option for this? And if so would the 154 cm be an acceptable length or a bit to short? Thanks!
12/28/2023
Hi Ella,
I think these would be a great option for you as an uphill fitness ski with enough width to venture into softer snow in the backcountry as well. They love to carve and can rip on groomers, and are very light for the uphill. They will be pretty demanding to ski in variable backcountry conditions, but are among the best choices for a super light fitness ski and would do fine in the backcountry if the snow is softer.
Size-wise, I think they would be suitable for uphill resort use in the 154cm. They might feel a little small off-piste if you are used to a bigger ski. However, it is normal to size down in a ski like this for uphill use, since they are essentially an enlarged race ski. They would still be stiff and powerful enough to carve well for you on the groomers.
For a lightweight fitness ski more suited to serious backcountry use, I would take a look at the Ski Trab Maestro.2!
I think these would be a great option for you as an uphill fitness ski with enough width to venture into softer snow in the backcountry as well. They love to carve and can rip on groomers, and are very light for the uphill. They will be pretty demanding to ski in variable backcountry conditions, but are among the best choices for a super light fitness ski and would do fine in the backcountry if the snow is softer.
Size-wise, I think they would be suitable for uphill resort use in the 154cm. They might feel a little small off-piste if you are used to a bigger ski. However, it is normal to size down in a ski like this for uphill use, since they are essentially an enlarged race ski. They would still be stiff and powerful enough to carve well for you on the groomers.
For a lightweight fitness ski more suited to serious backcountry use, I would take a look at the Ski Trab Maestro.2!
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1/19/2023
I'm a type 2 skier 170lbs 5'9" looking for a spring ski for Colorado Front Range and nearby locations, mostly corn harvesting on high passes, not super steep couloirs, aiming for 30 degree corn harvesting type stuff. Currently on a Speedfit 84 at 172 for this purpose but looking to shed some weight. I'm in my 50s and a cautious skier who likes traverses, not a ripper. Looking at this ski as well as the AT 85 and the Backland UL 85. My head tells me Backland or AT but I'm intrigued by the crazy lightness of this ski. I do prefer a forgiving ski to a stiff carbon stick, but have always gone for the light option when offered the choice (yes I am a weight weenie). Any advice?
1/19/2023
Hi Kevin,
Think of the Movement Race Pro 85 as a larger dimension race ski. Stiff and with a larger turn radius, very good at getting from point A to point B. For your application, I would say it is less forgiving than you are looking for. Based on your skiing style and intended use, I would point you towards the Movement Alp Tracks 85, as it is still a very lightweight ski, with a more forgiving construction.
If you prefer a tip rip skin, the Atomic Backland UL 85 would be the better option. This ski has a medium turn radius with an approachable construction.
Think of the Movement Race Pro 85 as a larger dimension race ski. Stiff and with a larger turn radius, very good at getting from point A to point B. For your application, I would say it is less forgiving than you are looking for. Based on your skiing style and intended use, I would point you towards the Movement Alp Tracks 85, as it is still a very lightweight ski, with a more forgiving construction.
If you prefer a tip rip skin, the Atomic Backland UL 85 would be the better option. This ski has a medium turn radius with an approachable construction.
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1/3/2022
Hello,
I am looking at these skis for use in Vermont. It would be tight trees, pre-work morning laps, and maybe a little bit of ice.
I am looking to pair them with Alien 1.1 and Dynafit LTRs.
Looked for skins online here and couldnt find anything 85 underfoot and 161 long. Any suggestions on this?
Thanks
I am looking at these skis for use in Vermont. It would be tight trees, pre-work morning laps, and maybe a little bit of ice.
I am looking to pair them with Alien 1.1 and Dynafit LTRs.
Looked for skins online here and couldnt find anything 85 underfoot and 161 long. Any suggestions on this?
Thanks
1/3/2022
Chris- It looks like we have the precut skin for that ski in the 169 which you could cut down to a 161 length. Or you could build your own with skins off the roll.
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7/4/2021
Are the Movement Race Pro 85 really lighter than the skinnier and shorter Movement Race Pro 77 skis?
7/5/2021
Hi Karol,
I just compared a 77 and an 85 in roughly the same length options (160 cm, and 161 cm) and without all the extra wrapping, fluff, and rubber bands. It looks like as a pair in these respective lengths, the 77's as a pair weigh 1675 g and the 85's weigh 1690 g! So the 77's are still lighter as a pair, and you've helped us find a discrepancy! I'll fix that right now!
I just compared a 77 and an 85 in roughly the same length options (160 cm, and 161 cm) and without all the extra wrapping, fluff, and rubber bands. It looks like as a pair in these respective lengths, the 77's as a pair weigh 1675 g and the 85's weigh 1690 g! So the 77's are still lighter as a pair, and you've helped us find a discrepancy! I'll fix that right now!
7/7/2021
Karol,
As a note we list all of the verified weights based on an average of multiple skis. The manufacturing process can lead to variations in weight dependent on the amount of resin used during the layup process, slight weight differences in the core materials, etc. The posted weights are based on this algorithm so it is possible that as mentioned above the 77's came out a touch lighter based on the individual skis. Hope this makes sense!
As a note we list all of the verified weights based on an average of multiple skis. The manufacturing process can lead to variations in weight dependent on the amount of resin used during the layup process, slight weight differences in the core materials, etc. The posted weights are based on this algorithm so it is possible that as mentioned above the 77's came out a touch lighter based on the individual skis. Hope this makes sense!
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3/28/2021
Gert-Jan
(downright abused product)
Excellent ski. I’ve (ab)used them now for two seasons. They do very well on the piste, fresh snow, spring snow and are even fun on moguls. Be carefull on ice slopes/snow, you forget how light (not so stiff)they are and you will struggle for grip. Also be very, very carefull when going off pist with snow with a thin layer of crust. They can’t handle this. I was to fast skiing on a shadow run, when at the bottom the sun had crushed it. Fell and the ski broke... in the middle of the back country...
I bought them again, because i ‘love’ them. So keep in mind not to forget it’s still a lightweight race ski!
I bought them again, because i ‘love’ them. So keep in mind not to forget it’s still a lightweight race ski!
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I purchased these to ski off piste and now I am finding myself grabbing them out of the quiver nearly everyday on dawn patrols! I like the race tip notch as I still primarily emphasize on getting the most vert I can in a day. In comparison to my lighter skinnier skis these are still plenty light to get quality laps of vertical and float down the mountain on powder days with much more grace. I have taken them through crud, ice, chopped and untouched powder, and of course ripped some groomers and they handle like a dream. The RP 85's are by far my favorite ski, I recommend grabbing a pair!
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1/3/2021
Sheel S
(used product a few times)
I got a little over a week of touring on these now and they are surprisingly good. I wanted to go lighter to be able to get more laps in, but I was surprised that they seems to handle (almost) as well as my previous set up of around ~1300g/ski. Good ski for tight trees and tight lines especially, I felt really confident hop turning on them. I was also surprised by their ability to handle deeper conditions, we got around 20in in the last 24 hours here, and I had a blast skiing them in pow which genuinely surprised me. Just wish the skins didn't suck so much
1/4/2021
Hi Sheel, thanks for the feedback! I love mine as well. The skins have Euro glue so I put some Gold Label on the tails and now they rarely fail on me (only sometimes when I botch a transition and don't have a clean rip). They are fast!
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As the ski-touring market has grown in North America, we've started to see an amazing amount of quiver segmentation among subtly-different skis that, ten years ago, we might have simply called "touring skis." More and more skis with extremely specific haute-montagne intentions are finding their way from the Alps to these shores, and -- praise be to the importation efforts of Skimo Co! -- the detail-discriminating ski tourer gets to reap the benefits. Within the Movement line, I've been thrashing about on the Alp Tracks 84, 89, and 100 for several seasons, and I've found that those skis are phenomenally versatile in conditions from waist-deep powder to sun crust over avalanche debris. Meanwhile, the Movement Race Pro 71 and 77 hold down the mountaineering-ski end of the spectrum: primarily optimized for katana-like edge hold on hard snow, but also terrific tools for days when the snow is meh and I'm just out to put in some meters. Hearing the details of the new Race Pro 85, I had a giddy smile on my face about the idea of an absurdly light, hyper-versatile option that would marry the profile/shaping of the Alp Tracks and the core of the Race Pro line, and the ski has more than lived up to the hype. In powder-drenched, midwinter conditions, the RP 85 was comfortable swimming through the depths, with plenty of rockered flotation and a very smooth, dextrous feeling when spooning turn into turn. Later in the season, faced with cold graupel surfing in the alpine and molasses-like slush down lower, I was wowed by the unflinching turn-ability that the ski had in easy and difficult conditions alike. I'm a fairly slow, traverse-y, fall-line-avoiding skier, and when I paired the RP 85 with Alien 1.1 boots, race bindings, and a more cautious style, I had a hard time picking any other ski out of the quiver. (Make no mistake, though -- a more talented, aggressive skier could for sure push this ski toward the outer limits of descending prowess. Follow @skimo_co on Instagram if you don't believe me!)
It's worth discussing why you might WANT a ski that's even lighter than the already nearly-lightest-in-class Alp Tracks 85. Strangely, it's not just about putting up more meters during the average touring day, although reducing ski weight by 200g is not insignificant for that purpose. (Moving over to a race-style, pin-line mounting point also helps, especially if you're the kind of person who obsesses over the mechanics of kick-turns, which as we all know are the only turns that matter!) The RP 85 does go uphill at warp speed, but it's a surprisingly balanced, confident descender, even when driven by a skimo race boot with little progressive flex. Like many true "race" skis, such as the narrower offerings in the Race Pro line, the RP 85 will come alive just by nudging it side to side without a ton of forward input. I've tried to ski my race boots on my bigger, more powerful Alp Tracks skis for a hella light setup on big days, but that makes the Alp Tracks skis feel neutered in their turning abilities and not as nimble as they would with a "real" boot (if you can call a TLT7 "real"). The RP 85 retains its nimbleness and "fun factor" so you can rally the descents even with the lightest of boot choices.
If there's one quibble I have with the Race Pro 85, it's that Movement's superb rocker/camber/sidecut shaping begs you to open up the speed a bit, only to run into the limits imposed by the "race core" of a sub-900g ski. Despite how nimbly the ski comes around, it does prefer a more measured approach to going down the hill, especially when hitting variable late-season conditions or sketching down bulletproof snow. If you want to know no limits in this department, and have no aspirations to wear race boots on powder days, the damper and stronger construction on the Alp Tracks 85 will suit you nicely. But, if you take pleasure in a ski that makes an extra 1000m ascent at the end of a long touring day not just doable, but actually exciting, there is absolutely no competitor to the Race Pro 85.
It's worth discussing why you might WANT a ski that's even lighter than the already nearly-lightest-in-class Alp Tracks 85. Strangely, it's not just about putting up more meters during the average touring day, although reducing ski weight by 200g is not insignificant for that purpose. (Moving over to a race-style, pin-line mounting point also helps, especially if you're the kind of person who obsesses over the mechanics of kick-turns, which as we all know are the only turns that matter!) The RP 85 does go uphill at warp speed, but it's a surprisingly balanced, confident descender, even when driven by a skimo race boot with little progressive flex. Like many true "race" skis, such as the narrower offerings in the Race Pro line, the RP 85 will come alive just by nudging it side to side without a ton of forward input. I've tried to ski my race boots on my bigger, more powerful Alp Tracks skis for a hella light setup on big days, but that makes the Alp Tracks skis feel neutered in their turning abilities and not as nimble as they would with a "real" boot (if you can call a TLT7 "real"). The RP 85 retains its nimbleness and "fun factor" so you can rally the descents even with the lightest of boot choices.
If there's one quibble I have with the Race Pro 85, it's that Movement's superb rocker/camber/sidecut shaping begs you to open up the speed a bit, only to run into the limits imposed by the "race core" of a sub-900g ski. Despite how nimbly the ski comes around, it does prefer a more measured approach to going down the hill, especially when hitting variable late-season conditions or sketching down bulletproof snow. If you want to know no limits in this department, and have no aspirations to wear race boots on powder days, the damper and stronger construction on the Alp Tracks 85 will suit you nicely. But, if you take pleasure in a ski that makes an extra 1000m ascent at the end of a long touring day not just doable, but actually exciting, there is absolutely no competitor to the Race Pro 85.
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5/6/2020
Hi, I`m 6ft/183cm and 172lbs. Skiing various snow conditions wanting a light setup for long horizontal approaches. Would the 177cm be to long for quick turns in tight trails/trees or would you recommend going down to the 169cm? Seems the short radius compared to the race pro 77 would make it better for quick turns even in longer lengths of the ski. Any recomendations for 2 skin setup to have one for steep climbing and one for horisontal backcountry skiing. Can a one width full lengt 85mm skin do the job, or do I need a ski cut width for the climb version. Could I go for a narrower 65/77mm and 2/3lenght skin for the horizontal skiing?
5/6/2020
Thanks for your questions, Bordo. If you are after a ski that is easier to turn in tighter situations (couloirs, etc...) I would size down. If you want to go "meadow skipping," the 177's would be a great choice and offer more stability at speed, but would be a bit harder to turn. The Ski Trab Mohair skins are fantastic at climbing while remaining light and packable. If you want a skin built with the utmost of glide in mind the pre-cut race skins are a popular choice. You can use a skin that is less than the waste width of your ski for flat approaches, just keep in mind side hilling would get very interesting! Please feel free to shoot us an email or give us a call if you have any other questions!
5/7/2020
Thx for a great answer. Would you mind giving your thoughts on some comparison skies for my new setup. The Race Pro 85 must be one of the lightest 80-85mm waist skies at 890g in 169cm. Other alternatives are the Skitrab Magico at 1055g in 171cm or other skitrab?, or a bit cheaper models like the Atomic Backland UL 85(1035g) in 172 that is promising, or the K2 Wayback 80 at 1000g in 170cm. My objective is to have a versatile light ski for vertical exercise, backcountry skiing, and the most possible exciting skipping ride down and back to civilization those soft days and safe back on the rest of the days. I have considered the 70-75mm waist lightweight skies to not meet this versatile spec in moderate terrain? I have the Atomic Backland Ultimate boot (842g in 28) that I hope can do the job with the ski. Currently using the old/heavy Dynafit Stoke 173/TLT vertical/TLT 5 setup so very excited to go lighter and faster to reach further in and up the mountains.
5/8/2020
I see the comparison of the RP85 and the Magico is well answered below, and that push me to the RP85 over the Magico by boot match and the quick manuverability. But I would love some thoughts on the RP85 vs the Backland UL85.
5/8/2020
I think you are on the right track keeping >80 underfoot for a versatile performer that will still allow for big vertical days. The Backland Ultimate is a great boot and in softer snow you will probably be fine, however, in more variable conditions you may find the boot will feel a bit overpowered. Typically, "race boot plus" or "touring boot" categories pairs well with mid-fat skis. Both the Race Pro 85 and Backland UL 85's are fantastic options and will accomplish your goal, albeit with some minor differences. The Race Pro 85 has a longer radius and will be more stable on smooth runs (such as groomers, corn fields, etc...) whereas the Backland UL 85 would provide a bit more stability and less deflection due to it's slightly larger weight. The Backland UL 85 would also have a slightly more "surfy" feel due to the Horizon Tech tip Atomic has implemented from the Bentchetler series. In either case, both are fantastic skis and you will be happy either way.
5/10/2020
Hey Bordo, I wanted to throw in my two cents to add to what Jedi-master Brett said above. Having skied all 3 options you mention, I would say that if you are stoked on the Backland Ultimate boot or another race boot, I would definitely go with the Race Pro 85 over the Magico.2 or the Backland UL 85. The Race Pro 85 is very snappy, doesn't need a lot of input to turn, and can be skied in the backseat -- all of which are positive attributes for ripping around with very light boots with no progressive flex. I have been skiing the Race Pro 85s with a pair of Scarpa Alien 1.1s all spring and have found that the combo is really impressive in everything from knee-deep Wasatch powder to knee-twisting mashed potato snow. The other ski I'd throw in the mix -- if you like the idea of the Backland 85 with added damping and HRZN Tech tip design -- is the Atomic Backland 78, which would be closer to a true race ski and has the best hard-snow edge hold of any of the skis discussed. Cheers!
5/11/2020
Thanks Brett and TSB!, I have actually returned the backland ultimate shoe after some light testing and this great inputs. The shooe required me to strap it too tight i order to keep to heel down in walk mode. I`ll go for the RP85. Now I need to find a more comfortable, wider and better boot for the downs than the ultimate. I would like the boot to be a race boot plus in order to be able to pair it as well with lets say a Skitrab powercup 171cm in the future. The La Sportiva Racetron seems like a good choice. The Alien RS may be to heavy? And I`m impressed that the Alien 1.1 works with the RP85, but its not cheap.... What length do you have in the RP 85 compared to your size TSB?
5/11/2020
Hey Bordo, sorry the Backland Ultimates aren't quite working out for you! They are definitely more of a "total race" option (to borrow a phrase from the bike world) than the "race plus" category that we see surging these days. Did you have a good fit across the last for skiing input, but just not enough of a heel pocket for skinning? Or was there a bigger fit issue? Either way, feel free to fill out our Boot Fitter and we can get some additional info on the case.
A ski like the Gara Power Cup or the Race Pro 85 can definitely be paired with the Alien RS or a Backland Carbon without feeling wildly overmatched, but you're definitely adding more grams to the setup than is 100% necessary. Both skis turn well from an upright stance and feel confident paired with the Alien 1.1 (which is definitely not cheap but it's a heckin' bargain for a carbon-cuff boot that skis so well -- the old version was $1800!) or another stiff-ish race boot.
As for length, I sized down to the 169cm Race Pro 85 (I'm 6'3", 185lbs) specifically to use it with my Aliens. In terms of quiver usage I think of it as somewhere between a race/objective ski like the Gara Power Cup and a full-bore all-rounder. With the Alien RS, I'll ski the 177cm lengths of Movement's Alp Tracks 85, which is a smidge more damp and rewards frontseat skiing.
Cheers!
A ski like the Gara Power Cup or the Race Pro 85 can definitely be paired with the Alien RS or a Backland Carbon without feeling wildly overmatched, but you're definitely adding more grams to the setup than is 100% necessary. Both skis turn well from an upright stance and feel confident paired with the Alien 1.1 (which is definitely not cheap but it's a heckin' bargain for a carbon-cuff boot that skis so well -- the old version was $1800!) or another stiff-ish race boot.
As for length, I sized down to the 169cm Race Pro 85 (I'm 6'3", 185lbs) specifically to use it with my Aliens. In terms of quiver usage I think of it as somewhere between a race/objective ski like the Gara Power Cup and a full-bore all-rounder. With the Alien RS, I'll ski the 177cm lengths of Movement's Alp Tracks 85, which is a smidge more damp and rewards frontseat skiing.
Cheers!
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3/26/2020
Hi. How do the Movement Race Pro 85 compare to the SkiTrab Magico.2, especially in steep terrain and tight trees with variable snow conditions? I see the Movement is over 300grams lighter (pair) than SkiTrab, is there any durability difference between them? Thank you
3/26/2020
Hi Jonathan, I have both so thought I'd answer! The RP85 is crazy light and occasionally can feel like a race ski in bad conditions. Long distance powder is amazing with it and it's super quick in the trees, steeps are no problem in most conditions. Best paired with a race boot imo, the Alien 1.1 is perfect. The Magico.2 is noticeably more powerful, and really comes alive with a beefier boot ("race plus" is the sweet spot, but it can hang with a beef boot without blinking). Not quite as quick but ultra reliable on edge and a touch more float. It also has the durability advantage, which is not to say that the RP is particularly breaky, but that Trabs are well, Trabs...breaking them won't cross your mind.
3/26/2020
Hey Jonathan, wow, great question! You must be an East Coaster or something with conditions like that -- the snow is always consistent and the trees always well-spaced here in the Wasatch! :-) Both of the skis you mention are phenomenal options, but for very different reasons. The Race Pro 85 is really designed to maximize the design possibilities of a lightweight, race-ski core coupled with the profile and shaping of a touring ski, so it kind of belongs to the idiosyncratic "speed-touring" category. After all, it's lighter than many of the race skis that were winning World Cups just 7 or 8 years ago :-) Meanwhile, the Magico.2 is an impressively damp, stable ride with a predictable feel that can plow through crud or sing sweetly in powder. I would definitely give the Magico.2 an edge for variable snow, especially when paired with a heavier boot (as JBo mentions above).
3/27/2020
Thank you for the input jbo and TSB. Could you describe the profile of the Magico.2 (I can't find it online)? I'm looking for mountaineering ski (spring, summer, fall). On the ascents, it will live 30% of the time strapped to my back, so I want a shorter ski (~170cm long, I'm 179cm). On the descent, I rarely will find powder, most of the time it will be crust, ice or corn. From your descriptions, it seems that the RP85 would be a better ski for quick turns and steep skiing as long as speed is kept in check. Also, I see the RP86 has a slight rocker in the tail to help release the turn, and in my experience, it helps a bit in breakable crust as the tail catches less. And yes, I will be using light boots, currently, I have the 2017 Aliens.
3/27/2020
*by profile above, I mean the camber/rocker profile of the Magic.2. Thanks
3/27/2020
Hi Jonathan, the deuce has a gently rockered tip with camber underfoot. Fairly flat tail, though Trab uses a swallow tail design to make hooking not a thing.
12/18/2022
Is now the time to say that, somehow, I have broken both the RP85s (twice) and my Magico2s once? Eric told me that the Trabs would hold up and, in general, I've found that to be true (I also have the Maestros (1 and 2) and the Misticos), but it turns out even Trabs have their breaking points.
I've loved the Magico2's but I keep coming back to the RP85s. I adore that ski. Yes, I've broken two pairs, but that's after 100+ days each of the two seasons when I broke them (once in an avalanche, which sort of doesn't count?). Yes, the Magico2's are a bit more confident when the snow is less Wasatch, but I rarely regretted picking lighter weight/great performance just to get a few percentage points in performance (at the cost of a heavier, though not heavy, ski).
I've loved the Magico2's but I keep coming back to the RP85s. I adore that ski. Yes, I've broken two pairs, but that's after 100+ days each of the two seasons when I broke them (once in an avalanche, which sort of doesn't count?). Yes, the Magico2's are a bit more confident when the snow is less Wasatch, but I rarely regretted picking lighter weight/great performance just to get a few percentage points in performance (at the cost of a heavier, though not heavy, ski).
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1/14/2020
Glen Otis
(used product regularly)
I've owned / skied lots of Movements , the Race Pro 71 , 77 , and the Alp Tracks / Vertex 84 , Logic X ,and these are my favorite so far . I'm 5 ' 7 " , 130 lbs , skiing the 161 cm , with the Alien RS boot , they work well together.
After 17 days , in a variety of conditions , from icy to deep powder , they're my quiver of one . Quick turning and nimble , great for tree skiing , the extra tip rocker really helps , so does the very low weight . Surprisingly , they ski nearly as well as the Sportiva Vapor Nano in soft snow .
While they get knocked around in the crud , being so light , they will carve through through it . An exciting , fun ski , perfect for the backcountry.
After 17 days , in a variety of conditions , from icy to deep powder , they're my quiver of one . Quick turning and nimble , great for tree skiing , the extra tip rocker really helps , so does the very low weight . Surprisingly , they ski nearly as well as the Sportiva Vapor Nano in soft snow .
While they get knocked around in the crud , being so light , they will carve through through it . An exciting , fun ski , perfect for the backcountry.
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9/1/2019
What are the differences between this model and the Movement 85 Alp Tracks?
9/1/2019
Hi Trevor, the difference is in the construction. As you've probably noticed, the shape and profile are the same. This version uses the Race construction and is thus amazingly light while also having a race-style tip notch. The Alp Tracks is a bit stiffer, more durable, and more powerful.
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