I have a pair of 29 Phantom Slippers for splitboarding. My understanding is that they are based on the 2018/19 Atomic Backland Carbons. The current liners are marked 29/29.5.
I am looking for a liner to slightly stiffen up the boot and provide more padding around my shins. Would this be the right liner or is it going to be too tight? The alternative would be the Palau Tour Lite Pros. If I went that route, should I get the 29 or the 29.5. Thanks for any help.
Palau All Track Power MV Liners
Palau took their All Track collection to the next level by offering a new “power” liner in a slimmer package. Working off the mighty Powertrack 10, they shaved the liner down to 8mm to allow its use in tighter-fitting, more articulate boots. Using a medium-density heat-moldable EVA foam, Palau made the Power MV (formerly known as the Power LT) a precise fitting liner to boost the performance of modern touring boots. Compared to similar Intuitions, the Palau All Track Power MV is designed with a thinner upper cuff to fit more calf sizes and cuff shapes to keep your feet warm and comfortable while keeping performance high.
- 8mm custom 100% moldable mid-density foam.
- Tongue Liner with optional laces for easy entry and close fit.
- Performance upgrade for the Spitfire, TLT6, TLT7, F1, or similar.
- Relief zone in the spine for better range of motion.
- Overall medium volume but molds precisely.
- Formerly called the "Power LT."
*Coloring Note: Please note the liner coloring/pattern may differ slightly from the shown photos, depending upon availability.
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12/4/2023
12/4/2023
Hi Seth,
These would definitely add substance and padding to your boots. However, I do think they might be a little overkill for a Backland Carbon shell if you do not particularly need to take up volume in the boot. I would say the Palau Tour Lite Pro Evo in the MV might be a better option for you. They would add support and padding in the shin while being a little thinner than the Power LT in the lower shell, and not having quite as huge of a tongue. You would want the 29.5 in that liner.
These would definitely add substance and padding to your boots. However, I do think they might be a little overkill for a Backland Carbon shell if you do not particularly need to take up volume in the boot. I would say the Palau Tour Lite Pro Evo in the MV might be a better option for you. They would add support and padding in the shin while being a little thinner than the Power LT in the lower shell, and not having quite as huge of a tongue. You would want the 29.5 in that liner.
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10/10/2023
I am in the Dynafit radical pro boot 26.5 and have been experimenting with liners for the last two seasons. I find myself with ankle pain after long tours over flat terrain(glaciers/icefields) and have found the best liner for the shell is the stock scarpa liner for F1 is size 26. The stock liner for the radical pro in my opinion is pretty garbage but have put time into the Intuition Pro Tour 26 and experimented with foot bed height. I believe the bolt eats through the liners and then rubs on my bony ankle over time. The Intuition Pro tour was a great fit with no pain until it wore through a bit and then became unbearable. I am hesitant to try the pro tour again as it only took 30ish days before the pain. The stock F1 liners have lasted 60 plus with minimal pain but are starting to pack out in general. I am curious if the Palau Power LT Liners will be a better option for me. Perhaps a middle ground between the two I have previously tried, with more performance than stock F1 as I have a slight heel lift and less pain than Intuition Pro tour. Should I aim for a higher volume to increase padding between my ankle or different liner options? curious if you guys have any ideas
10/10/2023
Hi Kelson,
You're correct that the Power LT would be a good middle ground between the Pro Tour and the F1 liner in terms of thickness, walkability and support. However, it's hard to say anything about whether it would stand up to the sort of wear that you're describing on the ankle. Ideally, we would correct whatever is eating into the liner first. If you'd like to discuss this issue more in depth, please email help@skimo.co, maybe with some pictures of the wear on the liner that you're describing and we can try to come up with solutions.
You're correct that the Power LT would be a good middle ground between the Pro Tour and the F1 liner in terms of thickness, walkability and support. However, it's hard to say anything about whether it would stand up to the sort of wear that you're describing on the ankle. Ideally, we would correct whatever is eating into the liner first. If you'd like to discuss this issue more in depth, please email help@skimo.co, maybe with some pictures of the wear on the liner that you're describing and we can try to come up with solutions.
10/10/2023
Kelson, Sounds like you are the Expert here. Even played with foot bed height, that sometimes takes care of ankle issues.
The cuff bolt is covered with a patch, has it worn out? I know that it will still wear the liner over time, but maybe double patching will help. When I checked that, the outer fabric of the stock liner seemed pretty stout for a liner. I wouldn't think that the fabric on the Palau liner would be any stronger in that spot, then an Intuition liner.
Will the fit difference, as you suggest, make a difference, only testing will tell. The thickness does fall in-between the F1 and Pro Tour.
The cuff bolt is covered with a patch, has it worn out? I know that it will still wear the liner over time, but maybe double patching will help. When I checked that, the outer fabric of the stock liner seemed pretty stout for a liner. I wouldn't think that the fabric on the Palau liner would be any stronger in that spot, then an Intuition liner.
Will the fit difference, as you suggest, make a difference, only testing will tell. The thickness does fall in-between the F1 and Pro Tour.
11/8/2023
Thanks for all the information. I got the liners in the mail and they do seem better for the ankle but unfortunately, they don't seem to be great in the Dynafit shell. They seem to be a much more rigid foam and it creates a lot of heel lift, at least for my little body ankles. I think I'll be trying the intuition tour tongue liners next. Still debating the 9 vs 12mm options
2/12/2024
Jonny come lately on this post... I have the Radical Pro and Hoji free and tour boots.
I create a foam donut that's thicker on one side than the other, and leaves a little padding in the center that fits perfectly in the indented circle where those nasty protruding cuff hinges are so the metal has a buffer. I carefully remove the patch covering the cuff bolt, then place the foam donut on the removed patch. Then place the patch back on with the thicker part of the padding tword the heel side and it works pretty well. I still get wear on the boot liner, but I only feel that hinge on extreme sidehilling. I make them for both sides...Give it a go and it works great!
I create a foam donut that's thicker on one side than the other, and leaves a little padding in the center that fits perfectly in the indented circle where those nasty protruding cuff hinges are so the metal has a buffer. I carefully remove the patch covering the cuff bolt, then place the foam donut on the removed patch. Then place the patch back on with the thicker part of the padding tword the heel side and it works pretty well. I still get wear on the boot liner, but I only feel that hinge on extreme sidehilling. I make them for both sides...Give it a go and it works great!
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8/19/2023
I purchased some Salomon pure touring boots as i got a great deal, they are a bit softer than i would like. Would these liners fit, and help to stiffen the boot for the downhill?
8/19/2023
Hi Corey, these liners fit well in the Salomon MTN Summit Pure / Pro models and are thicker and more supportive than the stock liners. They aren't going to stiffen up the boot by a large amount, but they will provide a bit more confidence on the downhill.
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I bought these to replace my blown out/torn Zero G Tour Pro liners. These are significantly stiffer and thicker than the stock liner. I am anticipating some packing out and break in after a handful of tours, but out of the bag they are a much tighter fit, I am buckling the boots 1-2 positions looser on both the top of the foot buckles and calf buckles.
These liners are noticeably easier to get into than the stock liner, I always had trouble getting in and out of the boot, but these seem to have a much smoother interior material.
These liners are noticeably easier to get into than the stock liner, I always had trouble getting in and out of the boot, but these seem to have a much smoother interior material.
2/18/2024
Hey Eamonn - I’m in the same position. I love the boot for my flat / low volume foot and
thought the stock liners were OK paired with a heat molded footbed from skimo. I just got these liners to replace the stock ones, and may they take up a lot more space. Vice grip feel out of the box, and I got a big blister on the outside of my heel during the second tour with the palaus. Did about 5 miles and 3K each day to break them in.
Any update on how they broke in?
thought the stock liners were OK paired with a heat molded footbed from skimo. I just got these liners to replace the stock ones, and may they take up a lot more space. Vice grip feel out of the box, and I got a big blister on the outside of my heel during the second tour with the palaus. Did about 5 miles and 3K each day to break them in.
Any update on how they broke in?
2/18/2024
They broke in nicely for me. My daily drivers are the Zero G Peaks, so the Palaus don't see as much use, but after they broke in they fit great. Would definitely buy them again.
2/18/2024
Awesome, I appreciate the intel.
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2/6/2023
I noticed the Palau liners are available in 1/2 sizes vs whole sizes as with intuition. Are the half sizes actually a different length or just thinner material. I wear a 28.5. Would a 28 liner be slightly more snug or is there that much difference?
2/6/2023
Hi Kyle, they are different lengths since some boots split shells on the half size (e.g. scarpa). You likely want the 28.5.
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2/1/2023
Will these be a good fit for the Transalp Pro? How would it compare to the stock liner that comes with the boot?
2/2/2023
Thanks for reaching out, Ethan. These would be a good replacement for the stock liner. It will fill a little more volume (they are slightly thicker than the stock liner), however, a liner mold would take care of that.
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1/22/2023
I have Technica zero G peaks in 28.5 that I sized larger for higher altitude objectives. The Skimo.co team recommended I go with this liner instead. Looking to upgrade from the stock liner for a warmer liner. Is the 28 a thicker liner than the 28.5 like many brands or is each liner the same thickness from Palau? Which size should I go for?
1/22/2023
Hi Mauri, I do not know of anyone making thicker liners for half sizes. That's usually an insole change or just pre-molding differences. The Palau half sizes are sewn to a different length to account for the varying shell lengths out there.
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1/19/2023
Im looking for a liner to take up room in my technica scout pro tour. I really like the boots but I'm maxing out my top buckle even after moving the latches over.
1/19/2023
Hi Ryan,
The Palau Power LT will likely be a pretty close fit to the stock liner In the Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro Scout. If you are looking to take up some extra volume, I would consider the Intuition Pro Tour in a MV.
The Palau Power LT will likely be a pretty close fit to the stock liner In the Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro Scout. If you are looking to take up some extra volume, I would consider the Intuition Pro Tour in a MV.
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12/10/2022
Hello,
I have a pair of used 2017 Salomon MTN labs in 28.5 that I am trying to decide what liner to replace with. My true foot size is closer to a 28 with medium volume, wide forefeet and a narrow ankle, which seems to lead to consistent heel rub. I am leaning towards the Palau Power LT Liners in 28. Would that work well with these boots, and is there something else you would recommend?
I have a pair of used 2017 Salomon MTN labs in 28.5 that I am trying to decide what liner to replace with. My true foot size is closer to a 28 with medium volume, wide forefeet and a narrow ankle, which seems to lead to consistent heel rub. I am leaning towards the Palau Power LT Liners in 28. Would that work well with these boots, and is there something else you would recommend?
12/12/2022
Hey Kevin,
If your forefoot is on the wider side this liner might feel a bit snug before it breaks in, but it should help lock your heel in nicely. A low volume Intuition Pro Tour liner would also hold the heel in snuggly, though it needs to be heat molded and might initially feel significantly snugger throughout the foot.
If your forefoot is on the wider side this liner might feel a bit snug before it breaks in, but it should help lock your heel in nicely. A low volume Intuition Pro Tour liner would also hold the heel in snuggly, though it needs to be heat molded and might initially feel significantly snugger throughout the foot.
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12/9/2022
Hi,
I've a pair of Dynafit Radical Pro 2021 model in 25.5 size.
The boots fit perfectly to my feet and I've never had any pain both on skinning up and skiing down.
The only issue I have is with the liner that cause me frozen toes due to its shape. I've tried with a palau tour lite pro of another paire of boots and it was much better for my toes but too much space on the ankles and cuff.
Do you think that I can solve this issue by replacing the stock liner of my dynafit radical pro with a pair of palau alltracks power LT?
I've a pair of Dynafit Radical Pro 2021 model in 25.5 size.
The boots fit perfectly to my feet and I've never had any pain both on skinning up and skiing down.
The only issue I have is with the liner that cause me frozen toes due to its shape. I've tried with a palau tour lite pro of another paire of boots and it was much better for my toes but too much space on the ankles and cuff.
Do you think that I can solve this issue by replacing the stock liner of my dynafit radical pro with a pair of palau alltracks power LT?
12/9/2022
Hi Tenco, I'd be hesitant to suggest you try a different liner in your Radical Pro since it fits so well everywhere but the toes. You might try heat molding the liners with some extra volume wrapped around your toes to create a little extra space.
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12/3/2022
I want to replace the liners of my Lange Xt3 110 LV boot in a 23.5 will these Paula LT power liner be a good replacement in the 23.5?
12/5/2022
Hi Hali, yes I think that could be a decent match, and that would be the correct size. The Low Volume Intuition Pro Tour is the other option, noting it has a thicker cuff and some Velcro on top of the foot which may be an issue if you have a high volume foot.
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11/24/2022
Hey Skimo team,
Is the Palau Power LT Liner a good replacement option for the Fischer Traverse CS if I need to take up a little bit more space that the stock liner?
If so, should I order the exact size as the shell ( 28.5 ) or size down a half size?
Thanks for your expertise
Chance
Is the Palau Power LT Liner a good replacement option for the Fischer Traverse CS if I need to take up a little bit more space that the stock liner?
If so, should I order the exact size as the shell ( 28.5 ) or size down a half size?
Thanks for your expertise
Chance
11/25/2022
Hi Chance,
The Palau Power LT would be a great option - a little bit thicker than the stock liner for sure.
I'd recommend the 28.5, but the 28 would work fine as well.
The Palau Power LT would be a great option - a little bit thicker than the stock liner for sure.
I'd recommend the 28.5, but the 28 would work fine as well.
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11/20/2022
I have TLT 6 carbon (black) boots. I have used the Palau Tour Light Pro Evos'. I am looking for a liner that takes up a little more room and/or more resistant to packing out. Also, More support for the down hill would be good. Would you recommend the Palau Power LT or an Intuition LV?
Thanks,
Steve
Thanks,
Steve
11/21/2022
Hi Steve,
I would personally opt for the Palau Power LT over the Intuition. Both will take up significantly more room than the stock liner and both will make the boot feel stiffer, but the Palau will walk better of the two. If you're not worried about killing your walk mode and you need a serious amount of space taken up, the Intuition will take up a little more space and might add a little more stiffness than the Palau.
I would personally opt for the Palau Power LT over the Intuition. Both will take up significantly more room than the stock liner and both will make the boot feel stiffer, but the Palau will walk better of the two. If you're not worried about killing your walk mode and you need a serious amount of space taken up, the Intuition will take up a little more space and might add a little more stiffness than the Palau.
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11/1/2022
Hi- looking for a replacement liner for a 22.5 women's tecnica zero G scout. I'm a mondo point 23.5 but that boot fit well at 22.5. Is the palau power LT the best for this boot and should I do a 22.5?
Thanks!
Thanks!
11/1/2022
Hi Melissa,
The 22.5 and 23.5 in the Tecnica Zero G Scout have the same boot sole length. Tecnica has relied on a different liner in the 22.5, but it is the same shell.
The Palau Power LT is a great option for a replacement liner in the Zero G Scout. If you are normally a 23.5, a 23.5 in the Palau Power LT would work well in your boots. If you have further liner questions, feel free to reach out to help@skimo.co!
The 22.5 and 23.5 in the Tecnica Zero G Scout have the same boot sole length. Tecnica has relied on a different liner in the 22.5, but it is the same shell.
The Palau Power LT is a great option for a replacement liner in the Zero G Scout. If you are normally a 23.5, a 23.5 in the Palau Power LT would work well in your boots. If you have further liner questions, feel free to reach out to help@skimo.co!
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10/24/2022
Hello, I bought dynafit tlt8 expedition because they are the widest with the CL slipper, I have problem feet - wide 110mm, flat + hallux, I get bruises during longer hikes because the CL slipper is thin along the entire length and the foot floats. I need a slipper that would be comfortable, voluminous and, above all, well shapeable. Would the Power LT be a good choice? or Tour Lite Pro Evo Please advise. thank you
10/25/2022
Hi Tomáš,
Thanks for reaching out! The Palau Tour Lite Pro Evo will be the closest fit to the stock liner in the Dynafit TLT8 Expedition CR . It sounds like you are searching for a higher volume of foam in your liner.
The Power LT will have a similar volume of foam in the lower as compared with the Pro Evo, but it will have a much thicker cuff. I think it would be worth discussing your fit issues in more detail, as they could stem from the shell, not the liner of your boot, or a little of both. Fill out a boot fitter, and we can get into nitty gritty details!
Thanks for reaching out! The Palau Tour Lite Pro Evo will be the closest fit to the stock liner in the Dynafit TLT8 Expedition CR . It sounds like you are searching for a higher volume of foam in your liner.
The Power LT will have a similar volume of foam in the lower as compared with the Pro Evo, but it will have a much thicker cuff. I think it would be worth discussing your fit issues in more detail, as they could stem from the shell, not the liner of your boot, or a little of both. Fill out a boot fitter, and we can get into nitty gritty details!
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10/21/2022
I have a Pair of the 2012 Salomon Quest Pro Pebax Boots in a 28.5: Will this liner work and if yes, what size would I purchase?
10/21/2022
Hi DJC,
For a heavy freeride boot like the Salomon Quest Pro Pebax, I would go with a pretty robust liner. The Palau Power LT might work, but I think the Intuition Pro Tour in a MV (HV if you really need to eat up volume) would be your best bet. You will want the 28.0 size.
For a heavy freeride boot like the Salomon Quest Pro Pebax, I would go with a pretty robust liner. The Palau Power LT might work, but I think the Intuition Pro Tour in a MV (HV if you really need to eat up volume) would be your best bet. You will want the 28.0 size.
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10/7/2022
Looking to replace and upgrade the liner in a Fischer Travers G/R 29.5. Would like to stiffen it up within reason. Power LT? Tour Lite Pro?, Tour Lite Pro Evo?
10/7/2022
Jeff, The Tour Lite liners would be closest to the liners your G/R boot comes with.
The Power LT would be the one that would stiffen up the flex noticeably. Like most "beef" liners in a light touring boot, they will take up more space in the cuff. Unless you have narrow shin/calves, closing the cuff properly may be an issue.
The Power LT would be the one that would stiffen up the flex noticeably. Like most "beef" liners in a light touring boot, they will take up more space in the cuff. Unless you have narrow shin/calves, closing the cuff properly may be an issue.
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9/12/2022
Need new liners for 27.5 Technica Zeso G Scouts. Original liner has packed out thin after 100+ days and are ready for a Viking funeral from the smell alone. Can you get replacement OEM liners?
Thanks
Thanks
9/13/2022
Marc, For the most part, No. Few Boot companies stock replacement liners and when we try to get one, it can take a very long time and sometimes never come through. The Power LT is quite comparable and immediately available.
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8/12/2022
I have loved the factory liners in zero g’s I bought in 2017, but they are finally falling apart after 5 busy seasons. Are these a good replacement? I’m particularly concerned about thickness— since my liners were worn til the bitter end happily, I’m assuming they were fairly worn down and that I’m OK with a thinner/worn-down liner…
8/12/2022
Hi Kate,
Yes! The Palau Power LT is our best replacement option for the Technica Zero G liner, and if you ever need to experiment with volume in the future, our other alternative for those boots is the Intuition Pro Tour liners.
Yes! The Palau Power LT is our best replacement option for the Technica Zero G liner, and if you ever need to experiment with volume in the future, our other alternative for those boots is the Intuition Pro Tour liners.
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5/2/2022
I have a sized down and length-punched 26.5 backland carbon boot (I probably am a true 27 size, but foot is so low volume I like to size down). No matter how much I pad the stock liner, it doesnt take up the volume where I want over instep. I ran a beat up pair of 27 MVs for a bit, but the cuff diameter was a problem for the closure buckles. I never remolded it though for that boot. My goal is to maximize ski performance. I dont mind sacrificing some walk performance or weight (to the extent that it still walks better than my Hawx). Between this Palau, a new pro tour MV or a pro tour HV (or anything else) what would you recommend?
5/2/2022
Thanks for reaching out, Jason. The Power LT or the Intuition Pro Tour in a MV would be the best option. The Power LT will have an inherently slimmer cuff, however, the diameter (of the cuff) of the MV can be compressed during the molding process. If you want the best skiing option, go with Intuition. If you want to add skiability and keep your boots excellent range of motion, go with the Palau.
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